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Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - DJC - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 11:47 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Lets be realistic Voss was last man standing territory after Clarkson, Lyon all bailed on the job for different reasons and wasnt a popular pick with a lot of supporters either given his previous history as a coach at Brisbane where he made some horrendous recruiting decisions and buggered the club up for a fair period.
However his skillset has proven what we need given he was an aggressive hard midfielder himself and we were a talented list in the making but playing a soft bruise free brand. He seems to have learned to leave the recruiting to the experts and has a good team of assistants headed by Hansen and off field he doesnt have to think about much with Cook running a stable administration finally and the Prez after a poor start also learning to leave it to the experts.
Its about building a finals team that can play repeat finals series now and stay in the window imho,
I think that's largely false media speculation EB. Clarkson, Buckley and Scott were never genuine candidates and Lyon ruled himself out when he realised that Greg Williams was intending to go through a proper selection process (Lyon probably realised that Diesel would see right through him). The real contenders for the job were Voss, King and Giansiracusa.
A few supporters may have thought that Voss's time at Brisbane meant that he would never be a senior coach again. Many thought that his experience as Brisbane's senior coach, his highly valued work as an assistant coach at Port Adelaide, and his stellar playing career made him the ideal person to make our club competitive again, and that has proved to be the case.
Of course, Voss's assistants are a huge improvement over what Bolton and Teague had (with the possible exception of Craig), but that's largely down to Voss understanding what was required and getting his own way.
And I don't think we played soft, bruise-free footy under Bolton and Teague; we played hard but without much purpose or direction.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 07-11-2022
You have to be very careful when analysis is based on media commentary, the media isn't impartial, it is not just reporting the facts, in fact the AFL section of the media is far from impartial, it's usually a jobs for the boys setup and they spin stories to look after each others reputation.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - Thryleon - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 01:05 PM)Micky0 link Wrote:To me, he seems to have pulled his head in considerably since those days coaching the Lions - he just displayed sheer arrogance with the signing of Fev and all the BS that followed.
I wouldn't call it arrogance. I dont think he thought it would be easy. It just showed how big a leap coaching can be from playing.
Fev was arguably the best key forward in the game at the time and we were cutting him loose.
Voss was only guilty of being immature and expecting that people would put aside their differences and simply fall into line behind brown.
Why? Because he played in a similar environment where the Indians fell in or fell out and everyone pulled together.
Odds are he knew there was trouble early and didn't know how to correct it which led to his downfall.
Its possible that this learning has been way more important than anything else he may or may not have done before or after.
Leigh matthews is regarded as a great coach, but even he struggled to coach Collingwood to anything of note in a time when coaching wasn't the caper it has become in the modern era.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 10:13 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:Leigh matthews is regarded as a great coach, but even he struggled to coach Collingwood to anything of note in a time when coaching wasn't the caper it has become in the modern era.Lethal is also a big advocate for potential coaches to go and learn the trade through an apprenticeship away from the club you played for, that's two things Voss had running against him in his first gig, he never served an apprenticeship and he walked straight into the top job at the club he had played for with zero experience.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - tonyo - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 12:27 PM)kruddler link Wrote:We could've hired Voss when we hired ratten too.
It was a case of 3rd time lucky for vossy.
Voss needed to do an apprenticeship which he missed out on by getting the Lions gig too early. The years under Hinkley at Port Adelaide, while they were contenders, have been instrumental in creating the coach we have now.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 07-11-2022
(07-11-2022, 11:07 PM)tonyo link Wrote:Voss needed to do an apprenticeship which he missed out on by getting the Lions gig too early. The years under Hinkley at Port Adelaide, while they were contenders, have been instrumental in creating the coach we have now.Agree
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - blueboys_1 - 07-12-2022
(07-11-2022, 10:17 PM)LP link Wrote:Lethal is also a big advocate for potential coaches to go and learn the trade through an apprenticeship away from the club you played for, that's two things Voss had running against him in his first gig, he never served an apprenticeship and he walked straight into the top job at the club he had played for with zero experience.
Much like Tim Watson did with St Kilda. Doomed to failure. Strong personalities who think that they can just turn into a coach without any sort of experience in the coaching caper.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - laj - 07-12-2022
(07-11-2022, 11:03 AM)Lods link Wrote:I think a bit of the indifference towards Voss last year stemmed for the fact that some may have still regarded him as that young Brisbane coach, fresh from playing.
He would have grown and learned a lot in the subsequent years.
Like players, you develop with the experience.
The successful Carlton coach was always going to have a bit of luck attached to it.
The right man, in the right place, with the right list, at the right time.
We're not totally there yet, but there's every indication that the 'planets might just have aligned' to produce that outcome.
I'm chewing deep into my humble pie after what I said about his appointment.. .haha.
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - Lods - 07-12-2022
(07-12-2022, 12:38 AM)laj link Wrote:I'm chewing deep into my humble pie after what I said about his appointment.. .haha.
The thread discussing 'potential coaches' from this time last year makes for some pretty funny reading in hindsight.
;D
Re: AFL Rd 17 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs West Coast - Thryleon - 07-12-2022
(07-12-2022, 12:40 AM)Lods link Wrote:The thread discussing 'potential coaches' from this time last year makes for some pretty funny reading in hindsight.
;D
I think I called Voss was the coach I wanted in that thread. Can we resuss it so I can slap myself on the back? ;D