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Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - Gointocarlton - 04-24-2022
[member=42]LordLucifer[/member] great summary
Setterfield, Newnes, Boyd, Cottrel should not play seniors again.
Mssgrs Owies, Fisher, Williams, time has just about run out
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - townsendcalling - 04-24-2022
The most sensible thing the Mark Robinson has written in years......
"Fremantle has been working for three years to implement a well balanced defensive and offensive game style under coach Justin Longmuir. The Blues are six week into Michael Voss’ grand plan which means the Blues are a work in progress. Voss is focusing on the contest and clearance and the remaining layers will come over time. That is their ability to transition the ball and to defend transition, which is the hardest part of the game to develop and implement. They can’t win the flag this year, and might even end up in scrap for the eight, and that’s not sweeping criticism of the Blues, it’s just that they are not capable in all facets of the game."
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - madbluboy - 04-24-2022
I thought Cottrell competed okay. He wouldn't be in my best team but I think he is the perfect sub.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - kruddler - 04-25-2022
(04-24-2022, 11:01 AM)LordLucifer link Wrote:I made comment in a post-match thread a couple of weeks ago regarding the spuddage we keep giving senior game time to. Last night, it was the same second tier rejects that let us down again. I also said pre-match that if we were to lose, its all about the context of the loss. We were horrible in so many ways that the context was ripped away and the poor decision-making & lack of talent was on display for all to see.
Setterfield - spare me .... he is a liability
Newnes - saw him run past an opposition many times, in other words, ran away from the contest
Boyd - he crapped his dacks more than once and then gave away a 50m penalty by trying to be a faux toughman
Parks - what has this guy done to warrant selection anyway ??
Cottrell - first rule of football, you need to be able to kick to play the game, why then does he get selected ??
Martin - took some angry pills early, snapped a nice goal and then fluffed a set-shot soda, over-priced dud
Newman - I have been a supporter of his but time has run out now
Fisher - not good enough for long enough
Owies - crapped his pants and dropped a regulation chest mark, this is the AFL you know !!
Durdin - where were you all night ..... you are better than that crapful effort
Philp, Stocker, Carroll, Kemp, .... any of them would be better options than the charlatans we have masquerading as footballers out there right now.
What did O'Brien do wrong to get dropped ?? He's no star but at least you know he cares and wears his heart on his sleeve.
We were critical of Teague for playing his faves at the expense of others, now it appears that Voss is reticent to make smart changes too.
And with so many players hobbling into and out of the medical room, I'm starting to question if that Andrew Russell chap is as good as his reputation says he is.
When you call half our list spuds, is there any wonder that some find their way into the team?
Philp, Carroll, Stocker and Kemp....at least 3 of those 4 have been or are injured currently.
You pine for LOB now? He was #1 on your sacked list for years, now he is the saviour?
I get it, its fashionable for you to be controversial, but that doesn't mean you have to be devoid of logic.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - WASurfer - 04-25-2022
Went to the game and my first AFL game live for quite a while. Sitting up high and you get a distinct advantage that you don't get watching the games on TV....a view of the whole field and you get to see what's happening off the ball and how teams set up etc.
The most telling thing seeing it live was the comparison between their defence and ours. We have the "names"....Weitering, Saad, Williams, Docherty". Individually, those blokes all played well but as a team defence, we were poles apart. Their system was amazing, the way they set up, they seemed to always have a spare who could run off or make it impossible for Curnow or McKay to get a clear run at it...and nothing illegal off the ball stuff. Yet when we seemed to get it, there was no real system coming out of the backline.
I lost count of the number of times Williams got it and it was a just a panic/dump kick and usually straight to an opponent. In his first season I thought Newman was a very valuable pick up but now, he just seems to be a dumb footballer. He continually ran around the back to get a short kick or handball but ran himself into a pocket on his right foot....and he can't kick on his right. Lots of time he had to double back and by then we were completely manned up.
Parks has a crack but not a smart footballer either from what I saw.
On paper, the top 5 leading possession getters were Carlton players so we got plenty of it but just couldn't use it properly.
Their was a collective groan from Blues fans when Pittonet went down and it was impossible to see us winning from that point. To his credit TDK battled manfully and did a fair bit around the ground but Darcy monstered him in the one on one duels.
And seeing it live I got to see how completely useless Setterfield was. He did absolutely nothing and there were countless times that wouldn't have shown up on the TV where he was out on a wing and just stood there....completely flat footed...didn't lead, didn't try and drag his opponent up the ground...just did nothing. It's taken him ages to get to 50 games but on the back of what he's put up this year, he shouldn't be getting too many more chances.
Newnes is a depth player at best.
Cottrell had a crack and while his disposal lets him down, he wasn't our worst player.
Full credit to Cerra who I thought was one of our best and battled hard all night with the crowd and opposition into him every time he went near it. He got caught a couple of times trying to do too much but it wasn't his fault we lost.
Would love to see the stats on how many times we lose when Silvagni isn't out there. Not just missing the backup ruckman when he was needed but his second and third efforts up forward when the ball is in dispute are immeasurable and we had nothing up forward.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - Professer E - 04-25-2022
There was at least one blatant high tackle on Cerra that should have been cited. There was also a blatant sling/dump tackle on Walsh - gees he cops some treatment - Freo don't mind dishing it out and I thought it was pretty average umpiring not to pull it up at the time. I get them being pi55ed at Cerra, but surely you can't rip his head off at every opportunity?
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - WASurfer - 04-25-2022
Agreed Prof but we had a good run of it early and I think we got a few our way that, watching replays on the big screen, weren't there. Can't remember who the player was but a Freo defender got caught blatantly dropping it about 20m out, right in front and umpire was standing about 10m way and called play on....certain free kick what should've been a goal.
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - LoveNavy - 04-25-2022
(04-24-2022, 10:48 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:The most sensible thing the Mark Robinson has written in years......
"Fremantle has been working for three years to implement a well balanced defensive and offensive game style under coach Justin Longmuir. The Blues are six week into Michael Voss’ grand plan which means the Blues are a work in progress. Voss is focusing on the contest and clearance and the remaining layers will come over time. That is their ability to transition the ball and to defend transition, which is the hardest part of the game to develop and implement. They can’t win the flag this year, and might even end up in scrap for the eight, and that’s not sweeping criticism of the Blues, it’s just that they are not capable in all facets of the game."
Did he read my post?
The comparison is pretty obvious when you take your navy goggles off!
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - LP - 04-25-2022
Both coaches have Cripps BoG!
Re: AFL Rd 6 2022 Post Game Permutations Carlton vs Fremantle - Baggers - 04-26-2022
Watched the game again last night, hopefully with a more objective view.
Probably stating the obvious but a few bad habits from years gone by were on display - playing safe, bombing it out of defense and bombing it into the forward line from the wings... hence landing around the 50m arc rather than deep into the forward line to give the small forwards opportunities.
Saad seemed to be the only defender trying to launch attacks after gaining meterage and breaking lines.
The wings were playing safe.
Missing (in fact the last 3 weeks) was the boldness and quick ball speed of the first three weeks.
Parks, the Gov replacement, seems enthusiastic to spoil whereas the Gov intercepts and launches attacks. Newnes is another safe selection.
Player availability has probably affected our ability to be bold. Gov, Willo, LOB, Stocker, even Dow are all risk takers who run and carry and have dangerous/penetrating disposals.
We'll probably be able to sustain bold meterage gains once we've regained blokes who can deliver on this rather than safer selections of blokes with limited abilities/experience. For starters, would prefer to see blokes like LOB, Willo, Walsh or Dow on the wings.