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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 12:05 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I thought everyone was raving about Teague's very simple, easy to follow game plan ? Especially after the supposed Byzantine complexity of Bolton.The 45% winning record is far better than 10% the previous 40 games. You were partially right when talking bad clubs but that was the coach. We had to change the coach to start winning and being competitive again. Can't accept the uncompetitive rubbish we chucked up under Bolton. What we had then was a bad coach in a club with a poor culture that doesn't have great motivation to succeed. Now comes the hard part with the culture. Without the real "want" you just don't have the success you should. Those that are motivated play for premierships, in our case we play for the paycheck. That's tough for a coach to turn around. Has to be a whole club thing.
One thing Chris Judd said recently when he come to Carlton. He said at West Coast players were forever talking about a path to a flag, at Carlton they were forever talking about their next contract.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - PaulP - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 12:10 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Teague is struggling, needs the win against Brisbane next week or its going to get uncomfortable in the media for him..
Brisbane are one step down from Port IMO. That will be another honourable loss. They are too good for us at the moment.
The media make too much bad noise and are incredibly counterproductive. A coach in trouble or a sacked coach means the hacks have months of story telling without even having to work for it. The appeal is obvious. Endless discussions about the pressure the coach is under, the big preamble when they start using the S word, then endless headlines when the coach actually gets the ar$e, then the repercussions, then more discussions about who the replacement will be, then discussions about who actually gets appointed, then a dissection of the decision, and on it goes. Just a bunch of vultures picking over a carcass which they were instrumental in killing. Disgrace.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 12:49 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Brisbane are one step down from Port IMO. That will be another honourable loss. They are too good for us at the moment.Agree Pauly, I care little for what the media say or think, to call them parasites is being kind. Internally however is another matter, Teague will be under pressure without wins no matter who the opposition is.
The media make too much bad noise and are incredibly counterproductive. A coach in trouble or a sacked coach means the hacks have months of story telling without even having to work for it. The appeal is obvious. Endless discussions about the pressure the coach is under, the big preamble when they start using the S word, then endless headlines when the coach actually gets the ar$e, then the repercussions, then more discussions about who the replacement will be, then discussions about who actually gets appointed, then a dissection of the decision, and on it goes. Just a bunch of vultures picking over a carcass which they were instrumental in killing. Disgrace.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - capcom - 04-18-2021
(04-17-2021, 09:18 PM)shawny link Wrote:I said pre game unless Cripps plays a blinder we can’t is be coming less and less of an occurrence these days.
The thing is the midfield is still way to shallow to compete against the better teams without Cripps playing a major part. Hold him and we are done.
Cripps is a very one dimensional footballer. An A grade Inside footballer but his flaws hurt us as on the outside, defensively and forward he is liability if we are being honest. I can’t believe I’m saying this but maybe trading him for the players we need needs to be seriously considered. Same goes for SPS he will have currency - move him on if we can muster a good trade.
We have no outside breakaway run from the contest except from poor Walsh. Williams has been disappointing to this point and not worth the contract he is on. I still have hope for him but not the start I wanted from a guy on a massive contract.
There are many other issues I know with the rebuild but the selections SOS made for the midfield apart from walsh which was a no brainer are all flops.
Kennedy won’t make it neither will Williamson. Murphy surely has to retire. Doc was awful last night and did things you would be disappointed if it was from a first gamer.
Have to make some big changes in the off-season. Ditch the 2 captains rubbish and give it to Weitering with Walsh as the vice.
Fogerty, Walsh, Cottrell and Weitering can hold their head up - struggling to find any others who can but.
Still a bottom 4-6 team.
What an indictment on our captains, but you're right. Neither are any good. Fine post and agree with all of it
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - flyboy77 - 04-18-2021
(04-17-2021, 12:57 PM)Macca37 link Wrote:The harsh reality facing us is that our rebuild has been a failure.
If all of the players on our list were available and we dropped the players from tonight's side who are not up to final 8 standard, we would have trouble fielding a side.
Port Adelaide have recruited skilled ball players, just like the Hawthorn power sides of recent years. What were our selectors thinking?
With this current list we are destined to be amongst the "also rans" for the foreseeable future.
That's an oversimplification.
We do have good ball users - just used out of position - or not at all - or injured.
SPS is an excellent ball user/decision maker. Need to be in the guts.
Williams looks injured. Martin is injured. Saad looks injured too.
Stocker must come in next week - he's probably the only player on our list who's elite off both feet.
The Guv is an excellent ball user but appears too embarrassed to be part of our team to want to bother....
Murphy's a good ball user - for mine, he's either an on baller or not in the 22.
Betts is an exceptional ball user - watch his 3rd quarter last night.
People who suggest he's cooked? Laughable.
He's (presently) less cooked than Cripps, Williams (both injured), Murphy, Doc, Curnow and Newnes.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Macca37 - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 01:17 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:That's an oversimplification.
We do have good ball users - just used out of position - or not at all - or injured.
SPS is an excellent ball user/decision maker. Need to be in the guts.
Williams looks injured. Martin is injured. Saad looks injured too.
Stocker must come in next week - he's probably the only player on our list who's elite off both feet.
The Guv is an excellent ball user but appears too embarrassed to be part of our team to want to bother....
Murphy's a good ball user - for mine, he's either an on baller or not in the 22.
Betts is an exceptional ball user - watch his 3rd quarter last night.
People who suggest he's cooked? Laughable.
He's (presently) less cooked than Cripps, Williams (both injured), Murphy, Doc, Curnow and Newnes.
I don't see it as an oversimplification. A good ball user is a good ball user no matter what position they are played.
Our turnovers by foot game after game are an embarrassment.
I see Murphy as a good ball user to a limited degree - he lacks penetration and struggles to make a 40 metre kick.
Guv wouldn't be considered by a top side yet we keep selecting him because of lack of depth.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - capcom - 04-18-2021
Yes, the Betts "Too old" stuff is garbage. He KNOWS his position and how to play it and shirks nothing.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Baggers - 04-18-2021
(04-17-2021, 11:36 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Something else its a system of......following the captains lead.
IMO Cripps was the most selfish of all, most individual of all.
Teague needs to give him both barrels in the review.
"If you are running through the centre and have a good kicking teammate next to you.....give it to him! You do not finish off enough of those kicks and we get hurt on the rebound because of it.....and you can't/don't chase. So either learn to kick, or better yet, don't attempt it! Next time you burn a teammate by not giving a handball, you are dropped!"
If he doesn't like it, start working on a trade back to WA now.
As a captain of the club, its simply not good enough, week in week out. Multiple times a game.
Harsh, but absolutely true.
When leaders FU it really deflates and demotivates... as the opposite is also true, when leaders do something clever/team oriented/inspirational - great smother, tackle, bring team mate into play... it lifts. Look how often Pendlebury brings team mates into the game, no heroics, adherence to system/game plan - definitely no individualism.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 01:35 AM)Macca37 link Wrote:I don't see it as an oversimplification. A good ball user is a good ball user no matter what position they are played.McGovern needs to work harder. He would be considered on ability for any side, hence was a reasonable important part of a Grand Final side. Issue is right now, like others wouldn't be considered in others sides based on workmate, or a lack thereof.
Our turnovers by foot game after game are an embarrassment.
I see Murphy as a good ball user to a limited degree - he lacks penetration and struggles to make a 40 metre kick.
Guv wouldn't be considered by a top side yet we keep selecting him because of lack of depth.
We have to work out why we "Carltonise" good players that come to the club.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-18-2021
Mcgovern is expected to be a key player with us but was just the 4th forward at the Crows.
He is a finisher/accessory player who needs delivery and a weak opponent, not the likes of Alir who ran off him all the time in the first half. Just the wrong player for us and would be better suited at West Coast when Allen takes JKs spot.