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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - JonDorotich - 03-26-2021
(03-26-2021, 12:49 AM)bricky link Wrote:Watching the game on TV we did seem to chip the ball backwards and sideways from the backline quite often.Pies well structured behind the ball and worked harder both ways and in the contest
With the new stand rule going backwards should be a last resort or only if there's nothing else on offer.
From someone at the game do you think it was habit or not enough movement forward of the ball?
Lots of kicking down the line
We lack courage (maybe ability) to take on the 45 degree kick to open the ground
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - Mav - 03-26-2021
New rules perhaps work against in&under types & taggers: Cripps, Setterfield & Curnow. Not great either for burst players who need regular bench time like Betts.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - flyboy77 - 03-26-2021
The umps played their role against us, as usual.
There was a moment, late in Q1, when our defence tackled their guy (no holding free), the Pie player tried to kick it and missed (no incorrect disposal free), the ball dribbled out and an easy goal to the Pies.
There were 3 or 4 moments like that which all went their way.
Big H could have had half a dozen frees for holding....alas.
That's not to excuse our deplorable work rate but it must play on their minds a bit......
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 03-26-2021
You have to feel sorry for Plowman. He's our modern day Bret Thornton. Apart from injuries, he's been a mainstay in our defence since he got here. Another whipping boy he reminds me of is Zac Dawson.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - JonDorotich - 03-26-2021
(03-26-2021, 01:12 AM)PaulP link Wrote:You have to feel sorry for Plowman. He's our modern day Bret Thornton. Apart from injuries, he's been a mainstay in our defence since he got here. Another whipping boy he reminds me of is Zac Dawson.
But Paul he makes so many poor decisions
Better than Jones but still poor
Having said all of that there’s nobody better on our list that can play the role. What would we give for a Peter Dean or Andy McKay?
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 03-26-2021
(03-26-2021, 01:19 AM)JonDorotich link Wrote:But Paul he makes so many poor decisions
Better than Jones but still poor
Having said all of that there’s nobody better on our list that can play the role. What would we give for a Peter Dean or Andy McKay?
Two top 5 and one top 10 finish in our B+F in the last few years suggest the coaches rate him. I think his problem is that he's extremely gentlemanly and honest. A pure ball player, like Geoff Southby on steroids. If the opposition like to go through him, as some on here suggest, I'm guessing it's mainly because they know he won't do anything naughty. His skills, ability to read the game etc. are not really that bad.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - LP - 03-26-2021
(03-26-2021, 01:12 AM)PaulP date Wrote:You have to feel sorry for Plowman. He's our modern day Bret Thornton. Apart from injuries, he's been a mainstay in our defence since he got here. Another whipping boy he reminds me of is Zac Dawson.Yes, in general he is not as bad as fans make out but he has those moments in every game, last night I thought he had a particularly bad 1/2 and it colours opinions of him.
It's hard to separate the player from the environment though, and Plowman wasn't the only player having a very ordinary 1/2 of football.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - Gointocarlton - 03-26-2021
(03-25-2021, 09:55 PM)BluePhantom link Wrote:We can get the ball in our hands, it's obvious because we get more inside 50's.Carlton may well win the footy, but the path they take to goal often resembles the path I take on a golf course. If the direct line from Tee to pin is 400m, Ill hit/walk 1200m. Im just not a good golfer. I get a lot of exercise though.
But we have for a looong time now and will continue to do so is bomb the ball in.
This bomb and hope thing is useless. We always seem to bomb it on top of our forwards head, never to advantage.
The filth showed us how to do it last night, forward setup running in patterns and away from each other.
The midfield / backs spotting up the forwards and honouring the lead. Their foot skills are way superior to us.
Williams, Saad and Martin are our accurate kickers, all coming from other clubs which suggests we are doing something wrong about kicking skills.
Who is our forward coach? who is our midfield coach? who is our back coach? who is our rucks coach? Therefore what does our main coach do???? And what do they do all summer???
Doing the same thing over and over again hoping for something different to happen??
That probably says more about us supporters (becoming more like casual observers) than the coaching staff :
PS: Congratulations to the Carlton PR staff for sucking us in for another year of pain. They are the only ones who do their job well.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - Baggers - 03-26-2021
(03-26-2021, 01:12 AM)PaulP link Wrote:You have to feel sorry for Plowman. He's our modern day Bret Thornton. Apart from injuries, he's been a mainstay in our defence since he got here. Another whipping boy he reminds me of is Zac Dawson.
I don't think there's a defender in the country who could've prevented some of the gifts to Plow's opponents. He was let down by players further up the ground.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood - PaulP - 03-26-2021
(03-26-2021, 01:24 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes, in general he is not as bad as fans make out but he has those moments in every game, last night I thought he had a particularly bad 1/2 and it colours opinions of him.
It's hard to separate the player from the environment though, and Plowman wasn't the only player having a very ordinary 1/2 of football.
DeGoey, Elliott and I think Cox as well, are not easy match ups. You won't find many defenders that can go with those blokes, especially when they're firing. Our other defenders must have a secret stash of short straws just to spite him.