(02-19-2021, 12:45 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:In 2020 McGovern averaged about 7 possies a game at about 66% DE, Matt Kennedy was about 16 possies a game@69%DE.
Nothing special about McGovern at all IMO, he would want to kick straight as he cant get the ball.

(02-19-2021, 12:45 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:In 2020 McGovern averaged about 7 possies a game at about 66% DE, Matt Kennedy was about 16 possies a game@69%DE.
Nothing special about McGovern at all IMO, he would want to kick straight as he cant get the ball.

(02-19-2021, 12:50 AM)LP link Wrote:Is it feasible to compare a KPP to an Onballer?

For someone working stoppages or midfield does the DE% include 1m handballs?

It seems to me there are biases in the stats that have to be considered when they are being discussed.

Does Newman's kick for goal, or McGovern's kick for goal form outside F50, get any special weight in the DE% statistics, or are they the same as a 15m pass?

[member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] It's not unreasonable to consider that these things are not all equal!

As an aside, just as Levi missing from the goal square would swing momentum, I can also recall some occasions last season when McGovern's straight kicking swung momentum. If I accept the influence of one I have to accept the influence of the other.

(02-19-2021, 04:23 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:I thought Kennedy was quite good when played forward both marking and kicking for goal but seemed to be the 1st dropped when we lost unlike McGovern who gave us nothing most games but kept his place due to his higher profile and relationship with the coach but I am going over old ground so I will stop here..

(02-19-2021, 04:54 AM)LP link Wrote:Agree, I've no idea what Kennedy did wrong to fall out of favour, team rules?

(02-19-2021, 05:21 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:There were rumours he was difficult to coach, and wasnt backward in telling people what he thought on a range of subjects especially religion and also had that unfortunate incident where he and Gary Ablett supported Israel Folau I think on social media when Folau had some over zealous ideas on some other members of the community and their lifestyles.
Seems well liked by the playing group though and has had a raw deal IMO..

(02-19-2021, 05:34 AM)kruddler link Wrote:I just got through talking about the Hoskings in the other thread, and one thing i was talking about was, specifically Jess Hoskings ability to be a good teammate, off the field. Set the example, be the role model and generally just be a nice girl to have on your list.

Kennedy would be the exact opposite IMO. Nothing about him as a player, just comes from a different way of looking at life....and one that could (unfairly??) ostracize him.

Its why Luke O'Sullivan was on the list for 10 years and only played 50 games. He was a great guy to have around and that earned him contracts over someone who didn't quite fit in.....ie Kennedy types.

You beat me to the punch with the 'tweetgate'. Its hard to recover from such things.

(02-19-2021, 09:28 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Nick Graham was a bit like this.  Ellard before him too.

Mcgovern does some things sometimes that just make you go thats it.  That's why he's playing, thats why we paid for him, and hopefully we see more of it.

I can handle the inconsistencies more than I can the lack of ability.