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Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 08-10-2020
(08-09-2020, 11:42 PM)LoveNavy link Wrote:AflWatching the game and not looking at stats, we were getting it in time after time without taking a mark or getting reward. They seemed to mark it every time it went in (especially that run of 5 goals unanswered). Again, dont want to be negative but that 14 out of 21 games now we have allowed a 5 goal run, this one single thing is driving me nuts. And it happens vs the top teams and bottom teams. Forget umpires, forget injuries, forget youth, we have rectified alot of things but this one we havent and we could easily be 6-4 instead of 4-6, extremely costly.
10 v 18 tackles i50
18 of 77 tackles i50 is a great sign of our pressure, and we won i50 count and turnovers. CP 120 v 116. We did a lot right.
9 v 3 marks i50 hurts. Not surprising given fwd stocks v premiership backs
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - shawny - 08-10-2020
Types like SPS, Murphy, Plowman etc are watched under a microscope each week while others especially the bang and crash types are given a pass and BS excuses when they are not performing to expected levels.
Cripps is our captain and we all know how hard he is but the fact is he shirked a marking contest 10 metres out and still never kicks a easy 30 metre set shot when we need it. He was slaughtered in the middle in the third quarter when the game was on the line and was caught too slow to react while WC mids strolled out of the middle without any pressure. He is out only true proven superstar and yet had not really influenced one game this year, yet most say oh he must be injured or poor bloke is trying to do it all, while most blame the usual half a dozen ‘culprits‘ to all our losses.
No one should not be immune to criticism especially a bloke the team is supposed to be drawing inspiration from.
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 08-10-2020
(08-10-2020, 12:36 AM)shawny date Wrote:No one should not be immune to criticism especially a bloke the team is supposed to be drawing inspiration from.Agreed.
However, I still think something is not right with Cripps, be it physical or mental something is not holding up.
Even worse, at the moment he is garnishing pity commentary from the so called "specialist" AFL commentators, which is even more grating!
Is he still that marquee player we expect, or are they deliberately talking him down in the hope of gaining his signature, is it Cripps tenure at Carlton that is being undermined?
I sure as hell hope it's not some stupid internal club tactic to reduce his re-signing value, but I wouldn't put it past Liddle, Lloyd and our club as it has a lot of recent history regarding abject stupidity!
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - Thryleon - 08-10-2020
Cripps has been carrying the team largely unaided since Judd retired.
One average season (note its not poor, he has played as many good games as anyone else, but has played more games this season where he hasnt played 4 quarters than he ever has before) doesnt really make it a reversal of trend.
Most of the guys being potted are serial offenders and have a couple of these moments every week. Hence why Cripps few stuff ups are standing out.
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 08-10-2020
(08-10-2020, 12:36 AM)shawny link Wrote:Types like SPS, Murphy, Plowman etc are watched under a microscope each week while others especially the bang and crash types are given a pass and BS excuses when they are not performing to expected levels.Not me, even at the risk of "shooting bambi and her mother", I have mentioned more than once that the 2 captains have at times not showed the leadership required in the heat of the battle. Cripps misses too many shots at goal, its the one knock on his game. Doc has sprayed a couple of kicks at critical times. Both have done little on the ground to stop 5 goal runs (and by that I mean on ground coaching and instructing/revving up). Having said that, despite Crippa not having as stellar year as other years, we have been in games up to our ears with others taking the load, Kennedy did a fine job yesterday in the middle. In fact, he should be the one to push forward as he can take a telling mark and convert quite regularly (as we saw last year). To be clear, I am not suggesting the two skippers are the cause of our problems, just stating that they are not above criticism.
Cripps is our captain and we all know how hard he is but the fact is he shirked a marking contest 10 metres out and still never kicks a easy 30 metre set shot when we need it. He was slaughtered in the middle in the third quarter when the game was on the line and was caught too slow to react while WC mids strolled out of the middle without any pressure. He is out only true proven superstar and yet had not really influenced one game this year, yet most say oh he must be injured or poor bloke is trying to do it all, while most blame the usual half a dozen ‘culprits‘ to all our losses.
No one should not be immune to criticism especially a bloke the team is supposed to be drawing inspiration from.
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 08-10-2020
(08-10-2020, 12:45 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:To be clear, I am not suggesting the two skippers are the cause of our problems, just stating that they are not above criticism.Yes, it's a fair observation you made above.
I like what I'm seeing from Kennedy as well, he might not be a thoroughbred but he has some polish under pressure that quite a few of our "hot potato" types do not display.
We must be close to the #1 team for selling team-mates into trouble with hospital hand-passes!
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - crashlander - 08-10-2020
(08-09-2020, 11:24 AM)laj link Wrote:We had 17 F50 tackles, no frees. Eagles 5 F50 tackles for 3 frees and 2 goals.That is an awful stat that I hope we bring up. Apparently We are talking with the Umps this week. Again.
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 08-10-2020
I'm not a big fan of all the SPS and sMurph bashing going around, they are being penalised for picking up the footy.
There is nothing they can do about it when the AFL rewards rock spiders and dry humpers, many of them 15cm taller and 15kg heavier than the little guy attacking the football!
When crowds return, I think "Humper ... Humper ... Humper" might be my new derogatory call for the gutless tacklers! They are like 100kg rat terriers that want to hump everything than passes within reach then steal the prize!
These big blokes aren't top predators like tigers or lions, they are more like a hyena, vulcer or bush pig, scavenging somebody else's hard work!
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-10-2020
(08-10-2020, 01:00 AM)LP link Wrote:I'm not a big fan of all the SPS and sMurph bashing going around, they are being penalised for picking up the footy.SPS and Murphy cop it through inconsistent attack on the ball, player, and lack of intensity when the game is on the line.
There is nothing they can do about it when the AFL rewards rock spiders and dry humpers, many of them 15cm taller and 15kg heavier than the little guy attacking the football!
When crowds return, I think "Humper ... Humper ... Humper" might be my new derogatory call for the gutless tacklers! They are like 100kg rat terriers that want to hump everything than passes within reach then steal the prize!
These big blokes aren't top predators like tigers or lions, they are more like a hyena, vulcer or bush pig, scavenging somebody else's hard work!
The game is more contested than ever before, you can't carry players who won't put the body on the line and pull up short in contests or hang back.
Size helps but Kade Simpson has shown its about attitude and wanting to risk all to win the ball. We also have too many nice boys who won't mongrel up when required..
We need a SPP not a SPS and a Brayden Maynard enforcer type who can provide that physical presence. I'm all for getting Zac Williams but without the other types I mentioned it will be more of the same with teams over powering and intimidating us.
Re: Post Game Participation: AFL Rd 11: Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 08-10-2020
(08-10-2020, 01:34 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Size helps but Kade Simpson has shown its about attitude and wanting to risk all to win the ball. We also have too many nice boys who won't mongrel up when required..Sorry, I realise I'm potting somebody's hero.
But Simmo is a very very limited example, sure he is brave, goes hard at the footy, cleans up in one on ones a lot. But far far too often he does all that then delivers the ball straight back to the opposition 45m away, he is so predictable opponents read his disposal like a street map, and they then score via another avenue!
(08-10-2020, 01:34 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:We need a SPP not a SPS and a Brayden Maynard enforcer type who can provide that physical presence. I'm all for getting Zac Williams but without the other types I mentioned it will be more of the same with teams over powering and intimidating us.I think I'd be waiting to see what we get out of Stocker, Honey, Philp and Kemp before I blow my wad on an import.
[member=57]ElwoodBlues1[/member] What did you think of Cottrell and De Koning?