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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Professer E - 07-01-2020
Yep, Fisher has work to do to win back a few of the doubters. Glimpses and cameos aren't enough anymore, to improve as a club he (and a few others) needs to start delivering a lot more.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Gointocarlton - 07-01-2020
(07-01-2020, 10:03 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Yep, Fisher has work to do to win back a few of the doubters. Glimpses and cameos aren't enough anymore, to improve as a club he (and a few others) needs to start delivering a lot more.I just wonder whether blokes like Fisher and Setterfield are those in between VFL and AFL types. That is, too good for VFL, not good enough for AFL.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - cookie2 - 07-01-2020
(07-01-2020, 10:18 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I just wonder whether blokes like Fisher and Setterfield are those in between VFL and AFL types. That is, too good for VFL, not good enough for AFL.
I take encouragement from Cunners who finally has started to look good, if he can keep it up. Fish and Setterfield could do the same. We have actually seen already how good Fish can be - he just has to regain form as he has the talent,
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Baggers - 07-01-2020
(07-01-2020, 11:37 AM)DJC link Wrote:I reckon Philp should have been given another game purely on the basis of that sublime pick up under pressure in the last quarter.
One game and out is not a good way to introduce a young bloke to the pressures of AFL and it could make him even more nervous when he gets his next chance.
Fish needs more than a cameo ten possessions to justify Philp's omission.
Well said.
In his (Philp) after game interview it sounded as if he already knew that this year might hold such decisions. Personally, I believe his leg speed would have been really useful against the Aints.
And I completely agree with other comments here re: Fisher and Setterfield. And Plowman's form worries me somewhat as well. There'd want to be some good stuff from Fisher, Setterfield, Plowman and Newnes for mine. And time for H to do more as well. Might sound a little too critical but if we're to start winning games by deserved margins then we cannot have passengers.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - DJC - 07-01-2020
(07-01-2020, 10:18 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I just wonder whether blokes like Fisher and Setterfield are those in between VFL and AFL types. That is, too good for VFL, not good enough for AFL.
I reckon Setterfield does a solid defensive job each week and is winning more of the ball with each game. I think that he will be a very good player for us for many years to come.
Fisher’s best is very good but he goes missing too much. If he can become more consistent (like Cuners) he could be a very important player. Perhaps he needs better players around him :-\
We’ll see tonight and I hope he has a ripper game!
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - LP - 07-01-2020
(07-01-2020, 11:14 PM)DJC date Wrote:I reckon Setterfield does a solid defensive job each week and is winning more of the ball with each game. I think that he will be a very good player for us for many years to come.I think guys like Fisher and Cuningham are both too small and light to be expected to perform in traffic to a high level week in and week out, it is just too tiring for them even if they survive the brutality of the contest.
Fisher’s best is very good but he goes missing too much. If he can become more consistent (like Cuners) he could be a very important player. Perhaps he needs better players around him :-\
We’ll see tonight and I hope he has a ripper game!
Setterfield is different, he's a different size and weight, he's got to get his head around not being an outside receiver ever, he cannot waste his and the clubs time by being a passive observer at the contest. Like Cripps, Setterfield must be one of the players taking affirmative action in traffic and stoppages! Setterfield needs to think of himself as a poor mans Cripps or Fyfe, nobody expects him to be racking up 35 possessions with 20 contested hard ball gets, but if he is in there competing the opposition do not get easy footy either. When he observes he is too slow to impact the contest, he's no good as a hunter of players because he can't catch them, so he has to hunt the football.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Milhanna13 - 07-02-2020
(07-01-2020, 10:18 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I just wonder whether blokes like Fisher and Setterfield are those in between VFL and AFL types. That is, too good for VFL, not good enough for AFL.
Justin Murphy has to be the all time clubhouse leader in this - you'd watch him in the 2s, and think he was a cross between Chris Judd and Craig Bradley, then he would give donughts in the 1s.
Fisher had that good year 2 years ago when he was played in the guts, then struggled last year with a new role and injuries - im hoping he will develop into a valuable hff/wing. Setters is still very early in his development, and (outside a few freaks), inside mids take a while - hoping he will be a solid contibutor
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - laj - 07-02-2020
(07-02-2020, 01:45 AM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:Justin Murphy has to be the all time clubhouse leader in this - you'd watch him in the 2s, and think he was a cross between Chris Judd and Craig Bradley, then he would give donughts in the 1s.
Fisher had that good year 2 years ago when he was played in the guts, then struggled last year with a new role and injuries - im hoping he will develop into a valuable hff/wing. Setters is still very early in his development, and (outside a few freaks), inside mids take a while - hoping he will be a solid contibutor
Thought Murphy went pretty well. Certainly AFL level. Was close to BOG in a Grand Final until he did his knee.
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - flyboy77 - 07-02-2020
(07-01-2020, 11:37 PM)LP link Wrote:I think guys like Fisher and Cuningham are both too small and light to be expected to perform in traffic to a high level week in and week out, it is just too tiring for them even if they survive the brutality of the contest.
Setterfield is different, he's a different size and weight, he's got to get his head around not being an outside receiver ever, he cannot waste his and the clubs time by being a passive observer at the contest. Like Cripps, Setterfield must be one of the players taking affirmative action in traffic and stoppages! Setterfield needs to think of himself as a poor mans Cripps or Fyfe, nobody expects him to be racking up 35 possessions with 20 contested hard ball gets, but if he is in there competing the opposition do not get easy footy either. When he observes he is too slow to impact the contest, he's no good as a hunter of players because he can't catch them, so he has to hunt the football.
Cuners is bigger than Joel Selwood.
Fisher the same height as Neale, just 10kg lighter!
Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2020 Rd 5: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Gointocarlton - 07-02-2020
(07-01-2020, 11:14 PM)DJC link Wrote:I reckon Setterfield does a solid defensive job each week and is winning more of the ball with each game. I think that he will be a very good player for us for many years to come.Cunners has put together 1 solid and above average performance, I need to see that consistently from him before I judge, clear the talent is there. Fish has had 6 x 25+ disp games (28 disp max)(16.2 ave) in his 56 games for 9 goals. Setters has 3 x 24 disp games, thats it in the 20's in his 24 games(15.04 ave). Both still babies I get it, one off a knee reco but I just dont see what everyone else does. Time will tell. Cunners has just 29 games so just a baby also. However, Its time to produce at the level everyone thinks they are capable off.
Fisher’s best is very good but he goes missing too much. If he can become more consistent (like Cuners) he could be a very important player. Perhaps he needs better players around him :-\
We’ll see tonight and I hope he has a ripper game!