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Re: Deer in the Headlights - flyboy77 - 01-07-2020
(01-07-2020, 01:42 AM)capcom link Wrote:Trouble is they don't ... had one after black Saturday with recommendations to cut back undergrowth.
What happened? Nothing
Seriously, the guy is a dill.
The science has been clear since the 1950s - Byram's Fire Equation!
Fuel load is the one thing man can control - yet we rarely do it.
Saying the (non) fire seasons are now much longer and there isn't 'enough time' is BS.
Whether it's green policy, lack of funding or lack of intelligence we have caused the problem ourselves.
Dr Andy Ptman, one of the alrmist cheer leaders on drought and climate change:
Quote:“…this may not be what you expect to hear. but as far as the climate scientists know there is no link between climate change and drought.
That may not be what you read in the newspapers and sometimes hear commented, but there is no reason a priori why climate change should made the landscape more arid.
If you look at the Bureau of Meteorology data over the whole of the last one hundred years there’s no trend in data. There is no drying trend. There’s been a trend in the last twenty years, but there’s been no trend in the last hundred years, and that’s an expression on how variable Australian rainfall climate is.
There are in some regions but not in other regions.
So the fundamental problem we have is that we don’t understand what causes droughts.
Much more interesting, We don’t know what stops a drought. We know it’s rain, but we don’t know what lines up to create drought breaking rains.”
Re: Deer in the Headlights - cookie2 - 01-07-2020
I am not always clear on what is supporting the various opinions being quoted and bandied around in the media, eg statistical correlation or proven cause and effect or what, so jumping to solutions can be futile at times. However, urgency sometimes plays its part and a gamble on a solution or an educated guess may be the only action available at particular times.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - LP - 01-07-2020
Human Induced Climate Change and rising temps are not geared to global drought or flood, that's a crap assumption blokes like Kelly make to stir up shit for News Ltd and Newcastle Coal shipping mates. They try to assert it's Venus or Mars for the Earth.
Human Induced Climate Changes causes wild swings and extreme peaks and troughs, lots more so called Black Swan events and I think links in this thread have already discussed some relating to the current fires. Extreme rain, extreme drought, extreme blizzards and extreme firestorms.
The averages might be very deceptive if looked at in isolation.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - Thryleon - 01-07-2020
To state that climate change isnt happening is stupid.
https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php
https://www.livescience.com/65927-has-earth-been-this-hot-before.html
the one part I dont know (nor do I think anyone knows) is how much of it is to do with our impact.
https://www.australiangeographic.com.au/topics/science-environment/2017/01/the-worlds-10-most-devastating-volcanic-eruptions/
Somehow, these events have all occurred in the past. They have resulted in cooling, and warming, and perhaps we are simply seeing an increased amount of volcanic activity which might be to do with human impact. Or it might be solar, and lunar impact. We simply dont understand enough to really concretely state what is down to us, and factually speaking, I think its the height of arrogance to assume we are causing it all.
The only thing I know for sure, is that we have logged more forests, and are putting more co2 into the atmosphere that would normally occur naturally. This may play a part, but I suspect its only a small part. I imagine our historic data is flawed, and that is infinitely more likely given we have never been as technologically advanced as we are today.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - PaulP - 01-07-2020
Even if we entertain the idea that Climate Change is not real (for the sake of the argument), who doesn't seriously believe that we would all benefit from better and cleaner ways of doing things ? We should change because the new ways are better - that's reason enough.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - Baggers - 01-07-2020
(01-07-2020, 06:40 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Even if we entertain the idea that Climate Change is not real (for the sake of the argument), who doesn't seriously believe that we would all benefit from better and cleaner ways of doing things ? We should change because the new ways are better - that's reason enough.
You're a cheeky one, Pauly, bringing common sense and logic into the whole argument!
If you consistently and persistently spew toxins into the atmosphere and water is it possible after doing enough of that for long enough there might just be some adverse effects for the living creatures?
And if your beautiful little niece was feeling unwell and 96% of doctors diagnosed a problem then suggested xyz treatment, yet 4% of doctors disagreed with the 96% and said there's nothing wrong with her - do nothing... whose advice would you take? Simplistic? Yes, but the same principle applies.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - kruddler - 01-07-2020
(01-07-2020, 07:12 AM)Baggers link Wrote:You're a cheeky one, Pauly, bringing common sense and logic into the whole argument!
If you consistently and persistently spew toxins into the atmosphere and water is it possible after doing enough of that for long enough there might just be some adverse effects for the living creatures?
And if your beautiful little niece was feeling unwell and 96% of doctors diagnosed a problem then suggested xyz treatment, yet 4% of doctors disagreed with the 96% and said there's nothing wrong with her - do nothing... whose advice would you take? Simplistic? Yes, but the same principle applies.
Depends if that 4% contains House.
He's always right.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - LP - 01-07-2020
If an expert has some significant insight into the cause or solution to a problem they quickly become part of the majority. They do not need to defend there position because the majority are in consensus with them.
This is the opposite of the human induced climate change sceptics, who are continually and increasingly aggressively defending their position because they are in the minority. They try to compensate for this by shouting which seems to influence the weak minded!
(01-07-2020, 06:40 AM)PaulP date Wrote:Even if we entertain the idea that Climate Change is not real (for the sake of the argument), who doesn't seriously believe that we would all benefit from better and cleaner ways of doing things ? We should change because the new ways are better - that's reason enough.This is the only rational position to take.
Re: Deer in the Headlights - cookie2 - 01-07-2020
One factor we don't hear much about is how many of these fires are the result of firebug actions. I have read that many have been deliberately lit? This would be a problem of our society and its collective mental health?
Re: Deer in the Headlights - capcom - 01-07-2020
Looting's another ... that's close to shoot on sight in my book.