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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - PaulP - 08-11-2019
(08-11-2019, 10:50 PM)Baggers link Wrote:...........................
DT is now confronted with what he has inherited from BB, ingrained defensiveness when under sustained pressure - the honeymoon is well and truly over.
He was keeping a lid on his 'grumpiness' at the post game media conference but was clearly not happy at our wastefulness and failure to take full advantage of hard won and often won, aggott... particularly by our midfield. Just like when BB was at the helm, we get plenty of the aggott but don't take advantage of our efforts, which slows delivery into the forward line and hence we have trouble scoring. As you mentioned, we held the Tiggers to a losing score.
The BB defensive gameplan is still deeply entrenched in our blokes and it'll take time to shake it off. Old habits die hard.
We're definitely a better side under DT, but some of the same old issues are still there.
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What a complete and utter load of crap. You can't ascribe good and bad simply to suit your agenda. Bolton = the scapegoat that keeps on giving.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - madbluboy - 08-11-2019
Our defence may have held up well but our rebound is poor. It's why I like Casboult there as he was a monster at CHB taking contested marks.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - flyboy77 - 08-11-2019
(08-11-2019, 11:15 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Our defence may have held up well but our rebound is poor. It's why I like Casboult there as he was a monster at CHB taking contested marks.
Doesn't help when several of the key link men are the MIA Lochie O'Brien and Darcy Lang!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - cookie2 - 08-11-2019
@Baggers
Baggers I honestly believe that we can put the majority of our current problems down to a few physically immature players, poor skill execution by too many, too much poor tackling allowing opposition players to break away and create damaging situations and poor decision making under pressure resulting in punishing turnovers. We have too many players atm that struggle to maintain any kind of composure under pressure. Teague's and SOS's immediate challenge is to rectify this by trading/recruiting more skilled mature players and existing player development. When these key areas have been addressed then the game plan, in game coaching moves and tactics will become critical factors for success. Until then we will continually dragged back - we can't really build until we get the foundations right.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - PaulP - 08-12-2019
Baggers, apologies for my ill tempered tone earlier. That was uncalled for. But I think it's simply incorrect to blame the ex coach 10 weeks after he's gone whenever we put in a poor showing, and that applies whether it's Bolton or Attila the Hun
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - Baggers - 08-12-2019
(08-11-2019, 10:59 PM)PaulP link Wrote:What a complete and utter load of crap. You can't ascribe good and bad simply to suit your agenda. Bolton = the scapegoat that keeps on giving.
I think you're overreacting there. Of course DT inherited what he did, the previous bloke was there for years. BB inherited the MM stuff and had to 'change course'. Just logic that the new coach has to deal with the previous coach's strategies (or lack thereoff)... being too sensitive, Pauly, it aint personal.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - Baggers - 08-12-2019
(08-12-2019, 12:39 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Baggers, apologies for my ill tempered tone earlier. That was uncalled for. But I think it's simply incorrect to blame the ex coach 10 weeks after he's gone whenever we put in a poor showing, and that applies whether it's Bolton or Attila the Hun
No problemo Pauly. To further clarify, I wasn't blaming BB for the loss. It took BB a year to overhaul the MM gameplan. It'll take the next coach of the CFC time to 'retrain' the players to his style. I was merely trying to point that out but perhaps I wasn't clear enough.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - LP - 08-12-2019
(08-11-2019, 11:30 PM)cookie2 link Wrote:@Baggers
Baggers I honestly believe that we can put the majority of our current problems down to a few physically immature players, poor skill execution by too many, too much poor tackling allowing opposition players to break away and create damaging situations and poor decision making under pressure resulting in punishing turnovers.
Yep, it was men against boys in physically demanding conditions. As I mentioned in the game thread if tackles disrupt/hurt opponents, in that they are not able to continue on in the chain of play, a lot of what we saw at the weekend doesn't happen.
At the weekend our guys tackle and release opponents almost unhindered to continue in the chain of play while we get put out of the contest by being aggressively tackled, we are simply too easy to play against!
But it doesn't help that Nthmond can effectively and blatantly push opponents in the back time after time, tunnel taller marking opponents, and tackle opponents before they have the football, and get away with it. That is a consequence of Dimma's dribbling and whining about umpires being unfair to Nthmond, to be getting such a favorable run Dimma, Balme or other Nthmond coaches or officials must make the umpires weekly review a very miserable affair! Nthmond probably burden the umpires so heavily that they get the match day rub just so the umpires can avoid the Monday paperwork!
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - Thryleon - 08-12-2019
The same thing haunts us today that has haunted us for the last 10 years.
A lack of composure under pressure.
You cannot teach it. Some players get down and dirty and thrive in it, and others just cannot cope and panic and throw the ball on the boot.
Until we mature, it wont change.
I see that trend starting to change a little with the SOS band (my new term for the list build).
The best part of it is that players who stuff up seem immediately hell bent on atoning for it.
Our current plight is best summed up by one passage of play from early in the game. Kick in. Plowman goes to the pocket hits up Daisy. Daisy passes it to Simpson who has it at half back. Simpson elects to go inboard to the corridor to hit Setterfield. Misses the target and a Richmond player standing inside the corridor of Setterfield is able to waltz into 50 and kick the goal quite easily.
Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 21: Carlton vs. Richmond - madbluboy - 08-12-2019
(08-12-2019, 12:48 AM)Baggers link Wrote:It took BB a year to overhaul the MM gameplan.
Bolton's best year was his first season so you're really sticking the boots in now. ;D