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Re: Casboult to CHB - LP - 02-06-2019
(02-05-2019, 09:54 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Therefore, implement a process (a game plan) and then recruit to suit it, and you will then get repeatable results.
In modern AFL this is an archaic losing strategy, the problem is that by the time you've built the list to suit "the plan" every opposition club knows what you are doing.
It's almost the exact opposite of what the Bulldogs did, they made rapid changes and reaped benefits, Nthmond could also be described as making radical changes. But I concede their strategies are unlikely to deliver long term repeatable results because the idea of a long term "plan" is obsolete!
Being a follower, like copying the tactics of last years premiers, is almost certainly also a losing plan as it's like being 2nd in line!
Re: Casboult to CHB - DJC - 02-06-2019
(02-06-2019, 12:34 AM)LP link Wrote:In modern AFL this is an archaic losing strategy, the problem is that by the time you've built the list to suit the plan every opposition club knows what you are doing.
It's almost the exact opposite of what the Bulldogs did, they made rapid changes and reaped benefits.
Also being a follower, copying last years premiers is almost certainly also a losing plan, it's like being 2nd in line!
That’s right LP. Successful clubs have to be ahead of the game and that means constant change. It also means that there will be seasons when the gameplan and/or list doesn’t quite work out. It’s a high risk/high reward strategy but the successful clubs are better at managing the risk.
I think that the Bulldogs lack of success after their premiership was not a hangover but a failure to improve on their gameplan and list.
Re: Casboult to CHB - LP - 02-06-2019
(02-06-2019, 12:40 AM)DJC link Wrote:That’s right LP. Successful clubs have to be ahead of the game and that means constant change. It also means that there will be seasons when the gameplan and/or list doesn’t quite work out. It’s a high risk/high reward strategy but the successful clubs are better at managing the risk.
I think that the Bulldogs lack of success after their premiership was not a hangover but a failure to improve on their gameplan and list.
It was the biggest issue I had with Mick Malthouse, he was building a list for an obsolete game plan that every opposition club knew inside out!
Not only are you battling your own clubs ability to implement the plans and recruiting, you are also battling every other clubs knowledge base on how to counteract your exposed strategies. AFL is not like football at any other level for this reason.
Re: Casboult to CHB - Thryleon - 02-06-2019
(02-06-2019, 12:34 AM)LP link Wrote:In modern AFL this is an archaic losing strategy, the problem is that by the time you've built the list to suit "the plan" every opposition club knows what you are doing.
It's almost the exact opposite of what the Bulldogs did, they made rapid changes and reaped benefits, Nthmond could also be described as making radical changes. But I concede their strategies are unlikely to deliver long term repeatable results because the idea of a long term "plan" is obsolete!
Being a follower, like copying the tactics of last years premiers, is almost certainly also a losing plan as it's like being 2nd in line!
Yet in sport all the world over, tactics and systems evolve and change with one constant irrespective of the code.
They all end up resembling each other in one way or another, with minor changes.
The idea that new tactics are "invented" is a complete load of bollocks, and there simply are not too many alternatives to play that sport.
Without going into too much detail on any one game plan. What worked yesterday could very well work again tomorrow, because in 5 years time the players who know how to negate will similarly have forgotten all about it, and because the rule changes will mandate different approaches (i.e. a back 7 will be negated by going into starting positions, but that doesnt mean it cannot still work).
(02-06-2019, 12:40 AM)DJC link Wrote:Successful clubs have to be ahead of the game and that means constant change. It also means that there will be seasons when the gameplan and/or list doesn’t quite work out. It’s a high risk/high reward strategy but the successful clubs are better at managing the risk.
I think that the Bulldogs lack of success after their premiership was not a hangover but a failure to improve on their gameplan and list.
Sometimes being ahead of the game, is simply a matter of knowing what comes next to negate the current tactics, and you might need to go back in time to discover what comes next. Remember everything old becomes new again, because tactics are required to shift in game.
Re: Casboult to CHB - DJC - 02-06-2019
The problem with that Thry is that, in our game, the rules change annually (and are applied differently throughout a season) and what may have worked five years ago won’t work now.
All coaches would have spent the off-season developing gameplans to accommodate the new rules. Some will work well, others will have to be adjusted or abandoned. I hope that Bolts and his offsiders have come up with a gameplan that works well and is within our players’ capacity.
Of course most sports draw on other codes for ideas and inspiration but to say that inventing new techniques is bollocks is to deny the capacity for original thought that defines our species.
Re: Casboult to CHB - LP - 02-06-2019
(02-06-2019, 02:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:The problem with that Thry is that, in our game, the rules change annually (and are applied differently throughout a season) and what may have worked five years ago won’t work now.
All coaches would have spent the off-season developing gameplans to accommodate the new rules. Some will work well, others will have to be adjusted or abandoned. I hope that Bolts and his offsiders have come up with a gameplan that works well and is within our players’ capacity.
Of course most sports draw on other codes for ideas and inspiration but to say that inventing new techniques is bollocks is to deny the capacity for original thought that defines our species.
Yes, when you consider that we've been rebuilding for 5 years and started off under different competition rules, what does that say about recruiting to fit a plan! :o
The latest change, soccer or gridiron style interchange pit boards on the side line to help runners under the "new rules!" :
Re: Casboult to CHB - Thryleon - 02-06-2019
(02-06-2019, 02:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:The problem with that Thry is that, in our game, the rules change annually (and are applied differently throughout a season) and what may have worked five years ago won’t work now.I have mentioned that before, and not to dredge up too much old territory, the rule changes are to negate very specific tactics, and not to negate 100% of in game tactics. i.e. starting positions.
There is nothing to say you can't go to a back 7 after the ball is kicked, by simply having people move accordingly.
Quote:All coaches would have spent the off-season developing gameplans to accommodate the new rules. Some will work well, others will have to be adjusted or abandoned. I hope that Bolts and his offsiders have come up with a gameplan that works well and is within our players’ capacity.I disagree with this. The hands in the back rule meant that people worked out that using a forearm was ok, and worked around it accordingly. These tactics are not that specific to be a game plan built upon them.
Quote:Of course most sports draw on other codes for ideas and inspiration but to say that inventing new techniques is bollocks is to deny the capacity for original thought that defines our species.
There is a difference between inventing a game plan or applying a game plan, and using a tactic to exploit a rule.
one is what forms how you approach a match, the other is situational.
THAT is where poo pooing any game plan is fraught with danger.
Re: Casboult to CHB - DJC - 03-19-2019
It's seems that my dismissal of the idea of Meat playing in defence was ill-founded if Josh Fraser's assessment of his VFL practice match form is any guide:
Quote:Levi Casboult
Stats: 11 disposals, four marks, four tackles, three goals
From the coach: Levi’s presence in the air was really important. He took some strong marks overhead and finished off the game really well. He played multiple positions for us — down back, in the ruck and up forward — and he showed great leadership.
Re: Casboult to CHB - WASurfer - 03-19-2019
DJC...it's hard to get a handle on where he sits at the moment in regards to a position. First choice forwards at the minute will be McKay, Charlie and McGovern with McKay pinch hitting in the ruck for either Kreuzer or Phillips. I can't see them taking a punt on him playing permanently in defence but it could be horses for courses if we're up against a team with 3 big forwards or a ruckman that goes forward and kicks goals...we only have Jones and Weitering at the moment and Goddard for depth I'm assuming....any reports on Goddard from the VFL if he's been playing?
Re: Casboult to CHB - capcom - 03-19-2019
If we're stuck with him, we might as well use him to his and our advantage. He's just turned 29