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Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 09:56 AM)Woodstock link Wrote:Yes. I laugh at people sayin “..but that’s not down to the coach..”. If you have Netflix, hit it up Season 3 of Last Chance U. It just came out. The first two seasons were amazing television. If you don’t know what this show is, it follows a small US southern town’s grid iron team performing miracles with a Tough as Oak, foul mouthed coach who takes utter misfits into Win after Win after Win. These kids are talented, but due to crap upbringings have landed at this college in a “last chance” attempt to get picked up by the big league.
That’s what we need. Go back to being a cheap as defence like last year. Give them nothing and make them earn every bloody meter. That DOES come down to the coach. He had all pre season and the last 17 rounds to come up with something. We knew Doc and Gibbs were out for the year. Its called planning. No wonder the players look listless. It’s pitiful and I don’t appreciate my membership money being spent on this supposed elite sporting environment.
Go to the WAFL/SANFL/VFL with our second and third round picks and draft hard nosed journeymen who will be oozing Adrenaline to get onto the park for their “last chance”. They won’t stop running, tackling and chasing. That’ll inject some much needed oomph into this insipid Culture. It’s so bloody obvious that we need hard nosed 22-30 year old players and then show the rest of the comp what we stand for. At the moment we stand for walk overs. And that has been perpetuated, no ENDORSED from the President down to Judd and the Coach. No wonder the Players look listless. The Club is telling them subconsciously that next year is when we want to be judged. Don’t worry about his year. That screams losing Culture.
Woody...Agree...I'd look at the VFL/WAFL/SANFL and get some men not boys who want a AFL career and who can take a hit and give one back and wont flinch or give ground.
At the moment we are a walkover especially when the rough stuff starts, of course they have to be able to play but we need a sprinkle of these harder units through the team to help the kids..
Having a rebuild and injuries doesnt entitle coach or players to run up the white flag and hide behind green shoots, synergies and defined by pressure cliches......
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 10:17 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Yes, in the pre game. You're hired.
What's going to happen in the next few weeks, and when will we be playing finals ?
More importly, what about the Lotto numbers?...lol.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - PaulP - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 10:41 AM)laj link Wrote:More importly, what about the Lotto numbers?...lol.
Yes, Lotto numbers would be very handy.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - cookie2 - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 08:19 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I got it, but it took me a while.....
Yep, goes back a way that one.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 09:35 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Laj, an under 14 side doesn't let that happen.
We are dispirited, disorganised and defeated, the players are trying but it's all become too much for them and they've lost concentration.
Three set shots out on the full, and none of them by Levi, it's mind boggling.
The first was Kennedy with the first shot at goal for the game, it set the standard.
Bolton can't kick it for them and blaming him for schoolboy errors by grown men is a cop out, at some point the players need to accept responsibility for their own performance.
Please! I hate the "Bolton can't do it for them" saying. It's his job to make sure they do them. That's one reason why they train. If they can't even do the basics right then why is he in a job. All that above is his job. Buck stops with him.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 10:43 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yep, goes back a way that one.
I used to live up the road from Bowater Scott in Box Hill......
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - cookie2 - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 10:46 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I used to live up the road from Bowater Scott in Box Hill......
EB, you may find this amusing:
Scotties is a facial tissue brand originally owned by the Scott Paper Company. Created in 1955, it is noted for its emphasis on softness......................Wikipeadia
Maybe we should be looking for a sponsorship deal?? :o
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - Baggers - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 09:38 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Sorry mate but I don't buy it.
It was Brittain's fault, then Pagan's, then Ratten's, then Malthouse, and now Bolton?
Nah.
We were right to sack Brittain, Pagan and Malthouse. In hindsight, perhaps not Ratten. Are you saying we should have kept Pagan and Malthouse? We actually paid a heavy price to hanging on to them for too long!
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - blue4life - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 10:45 AM)laj link Wrote:Please! I hate the "Bolton can't do it for them" saying. It's his job to make sure they do them. That's one reason why they train. If they can't even do the basics right then why is he in a job. All that above is his job. Buck stops with him.
So a good horse trainer can take a hack running around on the picnic circuit and turn it into a Cup winner?
The bald facts are that of all the players we drafted between 2007 and 2014 only Kreuzer, Rowe, Graham and Cripps are still at the club, and two of those are on borrowed time.
That's effectively 8 years of the draft up in smoke, but somehow it's Bolton's fault that we've bottomed out in 2018.
I don't buy it.
Re: 2018 Rd 17: Post Game whatever : Carlton vs Hawthorn - laj - 07-22-2018
(07-22-2018, 09:38 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Sorry mate but I don't buy it.
It was Brittain's fault, then Pagan's, then Ratten's, then Malthouse, and now Bolton?
Nah.
Wasn't Ratten's faullt. They sacked him after an injury ridden 11 wins from 21 games in 2012.
We have selected a novice coach who never played...no good, then we select a dinosaur...no good, he was past it, then we selected a novice coached who had played, did a pretty good job, we sack him for another dinosaur that's past it...no good, so we select another novice coach who has played AFL,, back to the bottom of the ladder.
See the pattern. We are poor at selecting the right coaches. We got one selection right, the young coach who had played, did a good job, the rest no good for various reasons. All those others sent us to the bottom. You just have to keep changing them until you get the right one. You'll get it right eventually, even Richmond eventually got one right.
Clarko's rebuild resulted in finals in 3 years, premiers year 4
Hardwick's rebuild 10 wins 3rd year, finals 4th year
Roos rebuild, starting from 2 wins got to 10 wins by year 3
Bolton's rebuild, bottom year 3, almost winless, albeit injuries but totally terrible.
We have alot of good youngsters out there, some very good, we have more established one's like Kennedy, Marchbank, Murphy, Simmo, Ed Curnow, Cripps. Kreuzer most weeks. Mightn't go through to 22 but much better than the near winless season we are producing, with the poor game plan that confuses players, the terrible skills, the lack of effort etc.. That coaching! We go out of our way to draft kids with kicking skills. What happens to them when they come to Carlton?