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Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - jeza - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 01:40 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Took a triple dose of medication and missed the game. Can somebody please give me a balanced precis of Harry's game, from the raw stats he looked like he got involved at times. The stats for the smaller forwards- SOJ, Pickett, Garlett, Polson etc are pathetic: if you can't get a kick you can still chase and tackle.
Harry was pretty good. Looked absolutely cooked by the third quarter as he had spent a lot of time in the ruck. His sprint away from Carlisle when he hit the post was excellent. So much potential. Amazing that they sat him in the stands last week.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 01:40 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Took a triple dose of medication and missed the game. Can somebody please give me a balanced precis of Harry's game, from the raw stats he looked like he got involved at times. The stats for the smaller forwards- SOJ, Pickett, Garlett, Polson etc are pathetic: if you can't get a kick you can still chase and tackle.
Raw, has good attacking potential, good speed, but seems uninterested in defending - looks like a front runner at this stage. Could be youth, personality, etc. Hard to say at this point. He simply must play all remaining games. The time to find out whether he's a time waster is now.
As an aside, our F50 pressure is atrocious.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 01:53 AM)jeza link Wrote:Harry was pretty good. Looked absolutely cooked by the third quarter as he had spent a lot of time in the ruck. His sprint away from Carlisle when he hit the post was excellent. So much potential. Amazing that they sat him in the stands last week.
So you watch him run out of legs and wonder why he isn't playing? That is the reason he isn't playing, and it's allegedly related to a work ethic issue.
There are other reasons, he has missed pre-seasons and games due to injury, also I believe the club is managing his fatigue levels due to a dose of glandular fever last season exactly like they did Charlie. But in comparison to Charlie, who we realise is elite, McKay allegedly hasn't shown the same work ethic to catch up.
As for that pump up about his run, it's KPP bullcrap, every small and medium forward on our list can probably outrun Carlilse for a ground ball. A 200cm x 100kg player is not out there to be a rover, it's a losing tactic!
(07-14-2018, 02:01 AM)PaulP link Wrote:As an aside, our F50 pressure is atrocious.
There it is, an uncomfortable truth, fans prefer to bash Jones, Weitering, Plowman or Marchbank than call out the guys who kick an occasional soft goal! and otherwise do feck all!
I though the biggest positive last night was SPS, when the sh1t hit the fan he actually looked like he wanted to do something about it! But it's hard to have any effect when you are on your own! Another good positive was Cripps marking, but we have to keep in mind the Aints are a small side.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 01:40 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Took a triple dose of medication and missed the game. Can somebody please give me a balanced precis of Harry's game, from the raw stats he looked like he got involved at times. The stats for the smaller forwards- SOJ, Pickett, Garlett, Polson etc are pathetic: if you can't get a kick you can still chase and tackle.
Harry would be a good finisher in a good team, got all the skills but playing with the bananas like we have is going to limit and slow his development.
Got whacked in a pack marking attempt and got straight back up which shows he can handle the physical stuff....Bolton has erred not playing him yet handed games to a dud like Polson......just inept coaching and selection....
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - capcom - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 01:50 AM)jeza link Wrote:It's an away jumper. Who cares? They all look crap.
I'd like to see the sales figures for them. I imagine they'd be miserable. The AFL have no idea how the traditional jumpers of all clubs unite and incite supporters. None.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - Professer E - 07-14-2018
Thanks people, sounds like another kid with potential who needs time and some preseason continuity. I like his pace and mobility and he seems to have a bit of sh1t in him, which we so desperately need.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 02:11 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Thanks people, sounds like another kid with potential who needs time and some preseason continuity. I like his pace and mobility and he seems to have a bit of sh1t in him, which we so desperately need.
Yes, he has an upside with potential, but he is miles away from being AFL standard, not unlike SoJ.
Last night Harry was easily man handled by players much smaller and lighter than him, but he's got Casboult as a mentor so what should we expect!
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - PaulP - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 02:04 AM)LP link Wrote:.........................
I though the biggest positive last night was SPS, when the sh1t hit the fan he actually looked like he wanted to do something about it! But it's hard to have any effect when you are on your own! Another good positive was Cripps marking, but we have to keep in mind the Aints are a small side.
Based on what I can see, our current three amigos are shameless impostors compared to their predecessors. I'm hoping it's just injuries, lack of game time etc. and not some inherent, unfixable issue.
And Cripps is in real danger of becoming our next Judd. At least Bolton has publicly flagged this and has indicated that he needs help.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - jeza - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 02:04 AM)LP link Wrote:So you watch him run out of legs and wonder why he isn't playing? That is the reason he isn't playing, and it's allegedly related to a work ethic issue.
There are other reasons, he has missed pre-seasons and games due to injury, also I believe the club is managing his fatigue levels due to a dose of glandular fever last season exactly like they did Charlie. But in comparison to Charlie, who we realise is elite, McKay allegedly hasn't shown the same work ethic to catch up.
As for that pump up about his run, it's KPP bullcrap, every small and medium forward on our list can probably outrun Carlilse for a ground ball. A 200cm x 100kg player is not out there to be a rover, it's a losing tactic!
There it is, an uncomfortable truth, fans prefer to bash Jones, Weitering, Plowman or Marchbank than call out the guys who kick an occasional soft goal! and otherwise do feck all!
I though the biggest positive last night was SPS, when the sh1t hit the fan he actually looked like he wanted to do something about it! But it's hard to have any effect when you are on your own! Another good positive was Cripps marking, but we have to keep in mind the Aints are a small side.
He was cooked because he had to play ruck but for all that he kept going and ended up with 14 possessions.
The solution to him lacking fitness is not sitting him in the stands.
I didn't bake Marchbank or Plowman. Ever.
SPS has been one of the biggest disappointments for me this year. Glad to see him get 20 post last night. I'd like to see him up with Fisher in terms of development - who I think is going to be a gun.
Re: 2018 Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 07-14-2018
(07-14-2018, 02:24 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Based on what I can see, our current three amigos are shameless impostors compared to their predecessors. I'm hoping it's just injuries, lack of game time etc. and not some inherent, unfixable issue.
And Cripps is in real danger of becoming our next Judd. At least Bolton has publicly flagged this and has indicated that he needs help.
SPS was far better than last night, you are being unreasonable.
If you want to point a finger specifically from last night's game have a look at Dow, O'Brien, Pickett, Garlett, Shaw, Polson, Marchbank and Silvagni. They were collectively sh!t.