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Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Mav - 10-05-2017
So?
From what I heard, the query is whether he had some assistance in his preparations. One obvious source of assistance is on dark web chatrooms on which he could have obtained advice about modifying semi-automatics using the legally-available butt-stock device he used and general firearms and explosives advice. I can imagine survivalist, militia and alt-right guys would have been only too willing to share their accrued knowledge in taking on the global conspiracy using such things as lipstick cameras to give early warning if the forces of evil try to storm their bunkers.
AFAIK, there has been absolutely no suggestion from police that a 2nd shooter was involved or even possibly involved.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - cookie2 - 10-05-2017
There is some evidence (a hotel receipt) apparently to suggest that the shooter dined in his room at the Mandalay Bay with another person on the night of 28th Sept, which is the night before he allegedly checked into the hotel. Could be a mistake but it certainly needs to be investigated.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Thryleon - 10-05-2017
(10-05-2017, 02:33 AM)Mav link Wrote:So?
From what I heard, the query is whether he had some assistance in his preparations. One obvious source of assistance is on dark web chatrooms on which he could have obtained advice about modifying semi-automatics using the legally-available butt-stock device he used and general firearms and explosives advice. I can imagine survivalist, militia and alt-right guys would have been only too willing to share their accrued knowledge in taking on the global conspiracy using such things as lipstick cameras to give early warning if the forces of evil try to storm their bunkers.
AFAIK, there has been absolutely no suggestion from police that a 2nd shooter was involved or even possibly involved.
Like I said.
Entertain the idea with or without accepting it.
Thats up to you.
When others state that perhaps the story we are being fed is wrong, that doesnt mean that it will be proven conclusively, because all we have to go on is what we are told about it.
The official stories always have holes like swiss cheese.
Ive heard and read that perhaps this guy wasnt even the shooter, that the hotel was his and thats all his involvement in this episode is aside from being the dead body found in the room.
That might be harder to believe. I don't know, and pretty much I don't care all that much.
Something else that I also do, is reject what people tell me to believe. All I do is gather facts and raise possiblities. You can mock them if you like, personally I couldnt care about that.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Mav - 10-05-2017
Thryleon, are you talking about the cabbie footage supposedly showing muzzle flash from floors beneath the identified shooter (referred to in the link Flyboy provided)? As one comment noted on that webpage, the same flashing light was apparent after the shooting finished and appears to be a flashing light inside the hotel.
Why do we need to question "the official version"? Why not let the investigation wend its way slowly and methodically given this is the best way for law enforcement to proceed? Why do we have to fill in gaps in our knowledge with conspiracy theories?
Why would there be a 2nd shooter? Why would that shooter have been much more concerned with staying under the radar than the other shooter? Multiple shooters might be worthwhile if terrorists fear that a lone shooter may be apprehended or neutralised quickly. Or if the aim is to work towards a big death toll. But if the aim is terror, why would 100 kills be better than 58? And surely the mythical back-up shooter would have been happy to simply watch without running any risks given that the 1st shooter was shooting for minutes? Why didn't the 2nd shooter pick up the batton once the 1st shooter stopped firing? There's no compelling logic that requires us to fill in the gaps in knowledge by creating a 2nd shooter.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - LP - 10-05-2017
(10-05-2017, 02:16 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Yourself and DJC went too early with the mocking of fellow posters.
Police are now saying they don't believe he acted alone.
He made the room booking in his girlfriends name, so unless he introduced himself as Marilou the booking had to be for two people!
I doubt the police think much of this, more media speculation.
(10-05-2017, 02:42 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:There is some evidence (a hotel receipt) apparently to suggest that the shooter dined in his room at the Mandalay Bay with another person on the night of 28th Sept, which is the night before he allegedly checked into the hotel. Could be a mistake but it certainly needs to be investigated.
He was an alien time traveler, sent back from the reign of the machines to kill the leader of the resistance!
America is forked!
I'm waiting for the new NRA magic bullet theory, just one shot ricocheting around the venue, an accident from a harmless enthusiast in town for a gun collectors conference!
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - madbluboy - 10-05-2017
(10-05-2017, 02:33 AM)Mav link Wrote:So?
From what I heard, the query is whether he had some assistance in his preparations. One obvious source of assistance is on dark web chatrooms on which he could have obtained advice about modifying semi-automatics using the legally-available butt-stock device he used and general firearms and explosives advice. I can imagine survivalist, militia and alt-right guys would have been only too willing to share their accrued knowledge in taking on the global conspiracy using such things as lipstick cameras to give early warning if the forces of evil try to storm their bunkers.
AFAIK, there has been absolutely no suggestion from police that a 2nd shooter was involved or even possibly involved.
Quote: THE sheriff leading the investigation into the Las Vegas shooting believes the gunman was not acting alone and that he most likely had an accomplice.
Speaking to reporters on Wednesday afternoon, sheriff Joseph Lombardo said “he had to have some help”.
Mr Lombardo said investigators did not have any other suspects at this stage, but they were “determined to find out if there was”.
“You look at the weapon obtaining, the different amounts of Tannerite [explosives] available, do you think this was all accomplished on his own?
“On face value, you’ve got to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point, and we want to ensure that that’s the answer.”
Mr Lombardo’s frank comments put into doubt an explanation previously put forward by authorities that he was a “lone wolf”.
In explaining his theory, the sheriff mentioned Mr Paddock’s arsenal of 47 guns and a “plethora” of ammunition, plus his two Nevada residences. He also made mention of his girlfriend, former Australian resident Marilou Danley, who has been named as a “person of interest” in the investigation.
“Maybe he’s a super guy that was working this all out on his own, but it would be hard for me to believe that,” the sheriff said.
“Here’s the reason why: put two and two together. Another residence in Reno with several firearms, electronics and everything else associated with large amounts of ammo, a place in Mesquite, we know that he had a girlfriend. Do you think this is all self-facing? An individual, without talking to somebody, just sequestered among themselves? I mean, come on folks.”
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Mav - 10-05-2017
(10-05-2017, 02:42 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:There is some evidence (a hotel receipt) apparently to suggest that the shooter dined in his room at the Mandalay Bay with another person on the night of 28th Sept, which is the night before he allegedly checked into the hotel. Could be a mistake but it certainly needs to be investigated.Of course it should be investigated. And his friends, family and associates need to be thoroughly debriefed (as is now happening to his partner) and investigate if necessary. But there's a pretty obvious possibility that a rich guy who is perhaps on the eve of his own death might splurge on a high-class hooker for a night.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - cookie2 - 10-05-2017
(10-05-2017, 02:49 AM)Mav link Wrote:Of course it should be investigated. And his friends, family and associates need to be thoroughly debriefed (as is now happening to his partner) and investigate if necessary. But there's a pretty obvious possibility that a rich guy who is perhaps on the eve of his own death might splurge on a high-class hooker for a night.
I'm sure there are all sorts of possibilities, obvious and otherwise. Some are even called conspiracy theories.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - mateinone - 10-05-2017
There is a significant difference between a conspiracy and an incorrect or inconclusive investigation.
There is nothing to suggest there was not a 2nd shooter and if there was, there is nothing to suggest that the officials are covering it up. The suggestion of a cover up/conspiracy is clickbait for junky fake news sites looking for hits/$$.
Re: Las Vegas Mass Shooting - Mav - 10-05-2017
MBB, that's consistent with what I posted. So far, it appears that his many firearms purchases were made by him personally but he kept them under the radar by spreading out those purchases over time and a number of different gunshops in a couple of states. It's pretty sick that people can seek out advice on the internet about how to make bombs and modify weapons to kill people more effectively. The joys of an uncensored internet, I guess.