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Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - PaulP - 09-06-2017
Thry, that's a pretty impressive and heartfelt post. Thanks for replying.
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - Thryleon - 09-06-2017
(09-06-2017, 04:12 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Thry, that's a pretty impressive and heartfelt post. Thanks for replying.
No worries.
As you can see, I seek only to understand with my questions.
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - PaulP - 09-06-2017
(09-06-2017, 04:16 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:No worries.
As you can see, I seek only to understand with my questions.
No doubt. I hope all that questioning leads you to vote yes. A yes vote is a vote for a better and more equitable society. And plus, as Jerry Seinfeld put it, "You have no idea how your life is gonna improve as a result of this. Food tastes better. The air seems fresher. You'll have more energy and self confidence than you ever dreamed of."
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - LP - 09-06-2017
(09-06-2017, 04:37 AM)PaulP link Wrote:And plus, as Jerry Seinfeld put it, "You have no idea how your life is gonna improve as a result of this. Food tastes better. The air seems fresher. You'll have more energy and self confidence than you ever dreamed of."
Take away his $90M/year average income and see if he still thinks that! ;D
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - ElwoodBlues1 - 09-06-2017
The irony is this is only issue where the hardcore Christians and fanatical Muslims will probably agree.....complete waste of money and a political stunt.
I dont care either way or who marries who...what annoys me is that I walk past homeless street people everyday with numbers increasing, there is a bloke with a bad haircut planning to nuke half the world and here in Aus we have this as the major issue?
Sick and tired of hearing about it from either side to be honest......
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - kruddler - 09-06-2017
(09-06-2017, 02:51 AM)mateinone link Wrote:Nothing can be said that justifies the attacks on people for their views. It is unnecessary and ridiculous.
Just to be clear, you are not voting because you think the whole process breeds hate and/or bullying...from both sides?
Follow up question....do you ever vote?
Reason i ask is because all i ever see from 'highlights' of question time is politicians attacking (read bullying and belittling) eachother. Every debate (in parliament) IMHO breeds hate and/or bullying when it gets down to it.
FWIW, the only legitimate 'negative' i can see in this debate, which i don't know if it has been brought to light, is the potential rorting of the gay marriage system.
Something which may ring a bell from the aussie movie 'Strange Bedfellows' which Paul 'Crocodile Dundee' Hogan and Michael "Tell him he's dreaming' Caton.
A very weak argument i agree, but the most logical one i've can tell thus far.
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - mateinone - 09-06-2017
My main reason for not voting Kruddler is the personal attacks on people for their views and as for question time. I see that as an 'arena' and those that enter politics too, they go their to fight it out and to attack and defend.
I see that as far different to attacking anyone with a different opinion.
Oh and even though the draw away from the "Yes" vote is quite strong because of my perception for the way it is playing out. I would never vote against to be spiteful, so the best way to 'voice' my opinion is to not take part
I won't go into how often I do or do not vote, but yes I have been fined for not voting before, because I won't vote unless I feel there is a genuine reason for me to.
I straw polled my own children today, 1 was for, 1 was against.. Both are teenage boys. I certainly didn't feel the need to pull the one who was against aside and tell them that they were wrong for thinking so. I let them have their opinions.
That is all that I wish was happening across the spectrum.
TBH Krud, I can't really see any negative, as long as it doesn't then become a situation where a religion is challenged for refusing to marry a couple because it is against their beliefs or the likes (that has to be considered a legitimate possibility), then that is fine. I don't think most people care if a couple same sex or heterosexual are married or not and I can't see how it will have any significant impact on society at all. Positive or Negative (and I think the same about hetero sexual marriage also).
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - Gointocarlton - 09-06-2017
I heard Magda Szubanski speak on the subject on The Project. She told a story of how a friend of hers was denied access to their dying partner in hospital because it was "next of kin only". This story resinated with me more than any argument I have heard on the SSM debate. Explain to me how this situation could be deemed acceptable.
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - kruddler - 09-06-2017
(09-06-2017, 10:07 AM)mateinone link Wrote:My main reason for not voting Kruddler is the personal attacks on people for their views and as for question time. I see that as an 'arena' and those that enter politics too, they go their to fight it out and to attack and defend.
I see that as far different to attacking anyone with a different opinion.
Oh and even though the draw away from the "Yes" vote is quite strong because of my perception for the way it is playing out. I would never vote against to be spiteful, so the best way to 'voice' my opinion is to not take part
I won't go into how often I do or do not vote, but yes I have been fined for not voting before, because I won't vote unless I feel there is a genuine reason for me to.
I straw polled my own children today, 1 was for, 1 was against.. Both are teenage boys. I certainly didn't feel the need to pull the one who was against aside and tell them that they were wrong for thinking so. I let them have their opinions.
That is all that I wish was happening across the spectrum.
TBH Krud, I can't really see any negative, as long as it doesn't then become a situation where a religion is challenged for refusing to marry a couple because it is against their beliefs or the likes (that has to be considered a legitimate possibility), then that is fine. I don't think most people care if a couple same sex or heterosexual are married or not and I can't see how it will have any significant impact on society at all. Positive or Negative (and I think the same about hetero sexual marriage also).
Curious as to what the 'no supporter' used to back up his opinion.
Personally i am very much a yes voter.
Not only for the obvious rights we are voting for, but also to send a message to the government that they are very much out of touch with the average joe in the street. I expect a 90%+ yes vote which IMO would send a very strong message to them about where their heads should be, and its not their rectum.
As for the religious marriage debate, and i think we stand on the same side in terms of religious views, it may force an individual to 'choose' between religion and their 'sexual preference/orientation'. I feel that choice will not go down well for the most religions.
Re: Father's Day ad pulled! - mateinone - 09-06-2017
(09-06-2017, 10:16 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I heard Magda Szubanski speak on the subject on The Project. She told a story of how a friend of hers was denied access to their dying partner in hospital because it was "next of kin only". This story resinated with me more than any argument I have heard on the SSM debate. Explain to me how this situation could be deemed acceptable.
It simply can't be considered acceptable, but most who would be against SSM would be for all rights still be the same, including access in that situation.
As an example, my mother and step father have each other as their nominated next of kin, despite not being married.
Regardless of whether this marriage law is passed, any inequality with regards to rights for next of kin, for property to transfer upon death etc. need to be rectified.
That is an absolute no brainer