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Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-15-2017
(08-15-2017, 10:58 AM)DJC link Wrote:And, as I have pointed out before, Walker admits that Craig did the right thing playing him in the magoos
It seemed to me that Craig was tasked with trying to get Jaksch to keep focused. Fraser and the line coaches are the blokes putting the work into Jaksch but, when all is said and done, the coaches can only provide a framework in which players may develop. Jaksch seems the odd one out among our recent additions and I suspect that the responsibility for his lack of progress rests squarely on his shoulders.
I'll take that as Walker playing a straight gracious bat as the captain of the Crows.....Putting Craigs coaching career into perspective...Gary Ayres had a slightly better win /loss ratio......Craig's best years were his first two full time ones with a list that Ayres built.
Craigs expertise was fitness IMO not coaching....I dont want Eade for the same reasons I didnt want Craig....not good enough at the end of the day to win a GF even when they had the cattle...
Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - DJC - 08-15-2017
(08-15-2017, 11:29 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I'll take that as Walker playing a straight gracious bat as the captain of the Crows.....Putting Craigs coaching career into perspective...Gary Ayres had a slightly better win /loss ratio......Craig's best years were his first two full time ones with a list that Ayres built.
Craigs expertise was fitness IMO not coaching....I dont want Eade for the same reasons I didnt want Craig....not good enough at the end of the day to win a GF even when they had the cattle...
Walker admitted that his defensive efforts were abysmal and learning how to address that in the seconds changed his career.
Anyway, Bolton reckons Craig has done a great job in his time with us, and I tend to agree.
Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - Vivian - 08-15-2017
A really pleasing aspect of our season has been our defence and especially last game when we attacked through the middle. A maturing side has the ability to change tack a little, moving from defence to attack and back when it suits. We proved we were able to attack through the corridor and then move back to a defensive style.
It has been a long season at times, and the last few weeks have been ordinary. But we have only been blown away in two games (two and a half if Brisbane is included) and we have been competitive. Games are being played by the youth, getting experience in. Curnow has played over 20 games already. Not bad for a second year key position player. Likewise with Weitering.
Finsihing bottom is likely and we should be filthy about this. Maybe this could have been avoided if we played the likes of Palmer and Armfield for a few more games, but it would be at the expense of getting valuable AFL game time into Williamson, Mcreedie, Marchbank, Plowman, SPS, Fisher and Pickett.
Big draft coming up for the club. Get this right (3 or 4 150 game players) and we are serious finals contenders in a couple of years. Muck it up and we will be drifting.
Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - DJC - 08-15-2017
(08-15-2017, 11:58 AM)Vivian link Wrote:A really pleasing aspect of our season has been our defence and especially last game when we attacked through the middle. A maturing side has the ability to change tack a little, moving from defence to attack and back when it suits. We proved we were able to attack through the corridor and then move back to a defensive style.
It has been a long season at times, and the last few weeks have been ordinary. But we have only been blown away in two games (two and a half if Brisbane is included) and we have been competitive. Games are being played by the youth, getting experience in. Curnow has played over 20 games already. Not bad for a second year key position player. Likewise with Weitering.
Finsihing bottom is likely and we should be filthy about this. Maybe this could have been avoided if we played the likes of Palmer and Armfield for a few more games, but it would be at the expense of getting valuable AFL game time into Williamson, Mcreedie, Marchbank, Plowman, SPS, Fisher and Pickett.
Big draft coming up for the club. Get this right (3 or 4 150 game players) and we are serious finals contenders in a couple of years. Muck it up and we will be drifting.
Yes, I reckon you're on the mark there.
I remember the commentators in one of our games talking about our ability to control the tempo and ensure the game was played on our terms. We are just not yet able to take full advantage of that ... but it will happen.
Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - LoveNavy - 08-15-2017
(08-15-2017, 08:09 AM)Lods link Wrote:I'm still a little cautious re player development.
Not counting first year players because you don't have a base line to measure improvement....
Which players have shown the benefits of our development?
Curnow definitely...who else?
Lods I think there's a few players who seem to be on the up. Ed, Kerridge, and Lamb have improved in specific areas. Jones and Pickett, for different reasons, have shown development across several areas. Those few come to mind, but there are probably others. Actually Boekhurst might be another.
Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - Lods - 08-15-2017
(08-15-2017, 12:33 PM)LoveNavy link Wrote:Lods I think there's a few players who seem to be on the up. Ed, Kerridge, and Lamb have improved in specific areas. Jones and Pickett, for different reasons, have shown development across several areas. Those few come to mind, but there are probably others. Actually Boekhurst might be another.
I think Cunningham too.
I'm not saying there aren't improvements in certain aspects...I'm just challenging the generalisation that our developmental programs are "much improved", because I think it's too early to make those assertions.
What we need to see is significant and sustained improvement before we can say our developmental programs are much better....and it's probably a judgement that needs another 12 months.
Those green shoots need to grow a bit stronger and thicker.
More Charlie Curnows in 2018 and fewer second and third year blues.
Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - flyboy77 - 08-15-2017
(08-15-2017, 01:33 PM)Lods link Wrote:I think Cunningham too.
I'm not saying there aren't improvements in certain aspects...I'm just challenging the generalisation that our developmental programs are "much improved", because I think it's too early to make those assertions.
What we need to see is significant and sustained improvement before we can say our developmental programs are much better....and it's probably a judgement that needs another 12 months.
Those green shoots need to grow a bit stronger and thicker.
More Charlie Curnows in 2018 and fewer second and third year blues.
It';s too early to tell =- if all these blokes mentioned become established (and regularly decent, good or better) AFL players well there's your answer.
2018 will reveal a lot!
Re: Carlton 2017 - Review - kruddler - 08-16-2017
(08-15-2017, 01:33 PM)Lods link Wrote:I think Cunningham too.
I'm not saying there aren't improvements in certain aspects...I'm just challenging the generalisation that our developmental programs are "much improved", because I think it's too early to make those assertions.
What we need to see is significant and sustained improvement before we can say our developmental programs are much better....and it's probably a judgement that needs another 12 months.
Those green shoots need to grow a bit stronger and thicker.
More Charlie Curnows in 2018 and fewer second and third year blues.
I'd happily take a team full of Curnowfides'.
I think the 'improvement' is more of an effort/team thing, rather than individuals.
Running both ways, putting on that extra block. All the 1%'s.