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Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - Thryleon - 07-09-2017
(07-09-2017, 11:20 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Agreed, the Dees had a free given their way in almost identical circumstances.
A clear free to Simmo for holding yet nada....
And yes, it would have almost certainly been a goal to us.
I think we got the rub of the green with the umpires early (particularly Kreuzer in that ruck contest with Gawn), and it wasnt until we started belting into Lewis at every opportunity that the umpires turned. Lesson to learn in that. If you want to be try hard thugs for all game expect not to get the calls your way.
That was 100% the same free kick that Jeff got in front of goal against Sheehan.
Which highlighted Sheehans lack of nous for this sport.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 07-09-2017
(07-09-2017, 11:31 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:I think we got the rub of the green with the umpires early (particularly Kreuzer in that ruck contest with Gawn), and it wasnt until we started belting into Lewis at every opportunity that the umpires turned. Lesson to learn in that. If you want to be try hard thugs for all game expect not to get the calls your way.
That was 100% the same free kick that Jeff got in front of goal against Sheehan.
Which highlighted Sheehans lack of nous for this sport.
To be fair to Sheehan, he shouldn't be playing on a Garlett type and he shouldn't be the 'goalkeeper'......
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 07-09-2017
(07-09-2017, 11:35 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:To be fair to Sheehan, he shouldn't be playing on a Garlett type and he shouldn't be the 'goalkeeper'......
It's no good complaining about our ball use if the club is going to allow Sheehan to be dragged into the back pocket leaving the likes of Kerridge, Lamb and White trying to hits targets.
Unfortunately, our major ball winners at VFL level might be getting plenty, but they cook it most of the time. It remains a major problem across our club, a lack of composure and a lack of accuracy.
Neither side looked good yesterday, great intent but horrible application. Teams like the Swans and Dawks should tear them a new one in the latter part of the season.
But I'd expect Byrne is an in for next week, and Pickett might be up for a recall just ahead of Graham.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 07-09-2017
(07-09-2017, 11:41 PM)LP link Wrote:It's no good complaining about our ball use if the club is going to allow Sheehan to be dragged into the back pocket leaving the likes of Kerridge, Lamb and White trying to hits targets.
i agree entirely though i thought our disposal inefficiency yesterday was far more pervasive....
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - Pratty - 07-09-2017
Frustrating not to win, but gee I'm a proud Bluebagger. Best game I have seen from our lads for some time, and there have been many great games this year, and last to be honest.
Listenting to Brian Taylor, a clear hater of Carlton commentate, and be allowed to be SOOOO one eyed, is both embarrassing for him and annoying for the Carlton viewer, probably any footy lover. I have never ever rated his calling anyway!
The umps hated us again. Some absolute shockers, howlers. I just don't get it!
The effort yesterday was incredible, to say the least! Two men down also. Hoping Cripps is ok, White too. Particularly Crippa!!!
Have been a little concerned with Weitering's lack of intensity and toughness in the contest this year, again yesterday on a number of occasions. Though he started the best I have seen for a while, then seems to get quite timid in and around the contest. Only a kid, but hopefully he'll impose himself more very soon. I like the kid and he has some serious talent!
Charlie Curnow, you star!
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - crashlander - 07-10-2017
(07-09-2017, 08:02 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Kerridge was good today just made a couple of howlers.35 possessions to Kerridge in an excellent effort. He made 3 mistakes, maybe 4 if you're super-critical. That means he had 31 useful or more than useful possessions. That is pretty good. His work in shutting down a man while getting plenty of ball was a real positive.
No where near as bad as everyone has made him out to be.
The two injuries did more to decide the match than anything else.
That and some generous umpiring in front of Melbourne's goal
Too bad they didn't pay jack's mark.
For all the mistakes and missed opportunities, it was the injuries to Cripps and White that made the difference. That and the having so many kids. A lot of guys were really struggling for condition in that last few minutes. That won't be the case after a few more pre-seasons. Then WE will have the extra yard of pace at the critical moments.
The umpiring: probably the less said about that the better. At half time I shouted "2 goals to Melbourne, 5 to the Umpires", only to be abused and accosted by some Melbourne supporters. Must have hit a nerve.
Gussy did a great job shutting down Garlett, but the goals really hurt. Frees. And Gussy's mistake by handballing forward when there were 2 Blues behind him was crucial. But he will learn.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - IvanAwfulbigone - 07-10-2017
(07-09-2017, 11:20 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Agreed, the Dees had a free given their way in almost identical circumstances.
A clear free to Simmo for holding yet nada....
And yes, it would have almost certainly been a goal to us.
This is what I don't get. I know I'm totally biased but ...
Week after week the 50/50's are paid against us in front of goal but crucial 'in play' decision are play on. Probably more relevant to compare Garlett and McDonald's frees to Gary Rohan's mark in the dying seconds against Essendon. I mean, he was caught behind and literally picked up the guy and threw him aside.
My mate calls it the "halo effect". Umpires, being human, cannot NOT be swayed by the wishes of the crowd and the zeitgeist (like cleavage - guys cannot NOT look). The whole world wants a fairytale Footscray premiership? Sure, let's make it so.
Not that I'm letting the umps spoil my appreciation of the boys' efforts yesterday. We gave it our all.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - Pratty - 07-10-2017
(07-10-2017, 12:18 AM)crashlander link Wrote:35 possessions to Kerridge in an excellent effort. He made 3 mistakes, maybe 4 if you're super-critical. That means he had 31 useful or more than useful possessions. That is pretty good. His work in shutting down a man while getting plenty of ball was a real positive.
For all the mistakes and missed opportunities, it was the injuries to Cripps and White that made the difference. That and the having so many kids. A lot of guys were really struggling for condition in that last few minutes. That won't be the case after a few more pre-seasons. Then WE will have the extra yard of pace at the critical moments.
The umpiring: probably the less said about that the better. At half time I shouted "2 goals to Melbourne, 5 to the Umpires", only to be abused and accosted by some Melbourne supporters. Must have hit a nerve.
Gussy did a great job shutting down Garlett, but the goals really hurt. Frees. And Gussy's mistake by handballing forward when there were 2 Blues behind him was crucial. But he will learn.
Sorry, I didn't rate Kerridge as high as others in yesterday's game. High numbers which shows you the guys works. That's a tick. Otherwise, his fumbly hands for a midfielder cost us hugely on a number of occasions. You watch his next game. Fumbly McFumbles.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - JonHenry - 07-10-2017
(07-10-2017, 12:26 AM)Pratty link Wrote:Sorry, I didn't rate Kerridge as high as others in yesterday's game. High numbers which shows you the guys works. That's a tick. Otherwise, his fumbly hands for a midfielder cost us hugely on a number of occasions. You watch his next game. Fumbly McFumbles.
I thought Simpson was just as bad.
Cost us a number of times. Including goals.
Re: Rd 16: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Melbourne - blue4life - 07-10-2017
The umpiring was ordinary but it went both ways.
Garlett's early free and goal against Sheehan was as soft as butter but later in the game Docherty clearly tackled Lewis high yet Lewis was called for holding the ball.
I'm not certain how a touched ball is judged in a marking contest but in the spirit of the game Silvagni's was a mark all day long.
Ultimately our own skill errors cost us the game, a couple of glaring ones which led directly to goals but many others in general play that lost us the run of the ball and had us caught out of position.
Our skills just aren't up to what's required at the top level and we'll need to hit the draft and make some good trades until we can eliminate the main culprits, we all know who they are.