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Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Bear - 04-16-2017
(04-16-2017, 01:31 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Ablett got booed most of the night where I was sitting but had the last laugh unfortunately, picked up a lot of cheap possies early and had no effect on the game
but did get on the end of some runs from other GC players and was damaging after half time as he can use the footy well.
IMO he is playing out time at GC and not going full throttle but is clever enough to keep his stats up to prove he is trying....also gets the superstar treatment off the umps,
hard to get a holding the ball or in correct disposal decision against him yet another hack player would be pinged every time.
Never been a boo'er myself... I should have heard it given you could hear the players talking on the ground last night. We did well to wrap him up in the 1st half, laid some good tackles, but he became more effective as we dropped off.
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Professer E - 04-16-2017
Because people are frustrated and had a gutful of blokes like Thomas, been on big money, delivered little for an extended period of time. Now he isnt fast enough to apply meaningful defensive pressure on the ball carrier, ball use is average at best and now he is blowing short kicks.
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Baggers - 04-16-2017
The reason Ablett was being booed for a while was probably because of his kidney punch on Murphy before the ball was bounced to start the game...
Not that it made a great deal of difference but did anyone else notice the goal of ours that was ruled a touched point? Replays clearly showed it wasn't touched until the entire aggott had passed the goal line.
Our midfield drop off in the 3rd cost us dearly - bad old days. For a side wanting to be known for its consistency and pressure over 4 quarters, we sure did let ourselves down badly... and it only takes 1 quarter, or even just half a quarter of mental softness/weakness to render useless all the other hard work.
No authority in Crippers game. Please don't kill him, if he needs a week off so he can recover for flock sake give it to him... it's not a sign of weakness, ditto Weitering. That's why we got Kerridge, Palmer and A Silvagni.
It wouldn't have mattered who was on 2 metre Peter, delivery to him was perfect and so was his set shot kicking. There were some curious coaching decisions and non-decisions... makes me wonder if the Adelaide bloke is having too much game day influence.
The club will keep supporters on side playing the 'green shoots' card for a while, but repeats of that 3rd quarter shameful capitulation will undermine the effectiveness of that card. Midfield leadership was required. Words and other platitudes mean stuff all if we don't demonstrate spirit when the heat of the game is against us. The final quarter effort was good but by then GC knew they had it and relaxed a fraction.
I'd rather see Polson, Smedts or even Boekhorst running around than Thomas. Yes, it's nice that he's trying so hard, and brings some on-field leadership (where was it in the 3rd qtr?) and is nice to kiddies before the game, but he's on the field for a reason... and he's no longer up to it and that is not his fault but if we keep selecting him we only embarrass him and ourselves. Nice that many are trying to make excuses for him. Nice that we're a charitable organisation for him. FM, he does one nice thing and everyone is in raptures... and that's cr@p.
Don't you just love how little Fev, ZF, never gives up? He's a ripper. Pickett grew a little more. Sheesh SOJ worked hard, nearly blew his pooper valve.
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Lods - 04-16-2017
(04-16-2017, 02:41 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Not that it made a great deal of difference but did anyone else notice the goal of ours that was ruled a touched point? Replays clearly showed it wasn't touched until the entire aggott had passed the goal line.
Probably not a great deal of difference in the end result but it would have been a handy boost at the time.
Due to the strange vagaries of the draw we play this lot again in the middle of June.
It will be interesting to see the development in the young blokes in that time.
(04-16-2017, 02:41 AM)Baggers link Wrote:Don't you just love how little Fev, ZF, never gives up? He's a ripper.
You mean little Jezza ;D
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Shakin77 - 04-16-2017
(04-16-2017, 01:56 AM)Professer E link Wrote:Because people are frustrated and had a gutful of blokes like Thomas, been on big money, delivered little for an extended period of time. Now he isnt fast enough to apply meaningful defensive pressure on the ball carrier, ball use is average at best and now he is blowing short kicks.
Do you think he is doing it on purpose?
Daisy is done. His body has caught up with him and he can't play the football he used to or wants to.
I have no ill feeling towards him. He accepted a large contract that WE offered him. Do you think he should have knocked back the cash? Said it was too much? In hindsight offering that much cash to someone with a bad ankle was height of stupidity. All frustrations should go towards the decision makers on that one.
He is having a crack and working hard, he just can't and never will get to any level that matches his pay.
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - PaulP - 04-16-2017
(04-16-2017, 03:10 AM)Shakin77 link Wrote:Do you think he is doing it on purpose?
Daisy is done. His body has caught up with him and he can't play the football he used to or wants to.
I have no ill feeling towards him. He accepted a large contract that WE offered him. Do you think he should have knocked back the cash? Said it was too much? In hindsight offering that much cash to someone with a bad ankle was height of stupidity. All frustrations should go towards the decision makers on that one.
He is having a crack and working hard, he just can't and never will get to any level that matches his pay.
I agree - so what would you like to see happen at the end of this season ? Contract extension or bye-bye ?
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Professer E - 04-16-2017
My frustration is continuing to play a bloke who is past it, I'm sure he is trying but you can't give if you ain't got any left.
But considering that he wants an extension, shhesh, that's pushing credulity.
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Jean-Claude - 04-16-2017
Daisy has done nothing wrong he took what any sane person would have done at the time. People having a go or booing him during the game are the height of stupidity like the people who gave him the deal in the first place. Whatever you think about him playing every week is another story. Whoever goes out onto that field deserves nothing but support from every blue bagger.
Fisher looks the part and has what it takes from what I saw last night, has a very similar playing style to Isaac Smith and the way he holds the ball etc. All the kids are showing promising signs!
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - cookie2 - 04-16-2017
Obviously his manager will be trying to optimise Daisy's return from a future contract, that's his job. It would be interesting though to hear from Daisy himself as to what he is providing atm and what that might be if any future contract extension is negotiated. We probably won't of course and BB is always very diplomatic around this subject.
Re: 2017 Round 4 : Post Game thread - Carlton V Gold Coast - Shakin77 - 04-16-2017
(04-16-2017, 03:21 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I agree - so what would you like to see happen at the end of this season ? Contract extension or bye-bye ?
Nah he is gone. I don't see the value in playing him at the moment. Gallucci would offer more. Even Lamb, Boekhorst or Sumner as Mid/Sml forwards.
He would open up a stack of salary cap we could use to target a good young player.
Unless he has some sort of arrangement with the MC. Ie: Give me 10 weeks and if I can't get back I will retire.
I actually find it sad to see a great player struggle so much.