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Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - rocky - 04-02-2017
So I went today and have just finished watching the replay so I have the following thoughts.
Really wrapped in the young blokes especially down back. Marchbank looks the real deal, Macredie has improved in one week and Plowman was probably our best defensively. I'm a Rowe basher so it hurts me to say his first 2 games have been pretty good. I still have little confidence in him maintaining that level. Docherty had a 50/50 day and Simmo was thankfully better than last week. Simon White needs to go. I'd play Weitering back settle the back 6 and move onto the next line.
Midfield were a pass mainly because of Cripps who was a workhorse today, but Gibbs and Murphy have to stop creating turnovers at crucial times in a game. It crushes any momentum. Kruezer did well.
Forwards were average to poor bar Matty Wright. Dennis needs to go. Great servant to the club but his time is up. Young SOS needs to learn to kick straight under pressure. Last qtr 40 out directly in front to put us 9 point up and shift momentum and he misses. Crucial.
Still lots of others had worse efforts throughout. Levi was shocking. He needs a rest.
Outs for me next week, White (should but probably won't), Armfield (can't see this not happening) and Levi. Maybe one more week for Thomas. Another week for the young indigenous boys too.
Look, they had a crack but their skills cost them again. Be a lot of that this year. Melbourne would not be final 8 based on their effort.
Finally, and I can't believe no ones mentioned this by now but did those umpires give it to us today or what? Never seen so many tackles laid by our blokes go unrewarded. Pathetic.
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-02-2017
(04-02-2017, 11:16 AM)cobra link Wrote:Jack got a big hit to his back. He was probably our best forward in the first quarter. Did well to play the game out. Can't believe how hard you are on our kids. Most have played under ten games. All show signs of being long term players. Blain Boekhorst has speed but no heart. Jack has just turned 19 give him time.
Hard but fair IMO...I'm not down on Jack and like him as a player(take your point about his injury so happy to cut him some slack) but his kicking has been atrocious of late and like I said
has a Casboult look to it..apart from Charlie Curnow i reckon I went easy on the other kids and thought most of them showed something and laid most of the blame for defeat at some of our older brigade who turned the footy over at critical times...
Agree on BB but I guess as Fly pointed out in another thread he may get another chance because he adds some run and carry and you have to give him a go before you stamp his papers...
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - LoveNavy - 04-02-2017
@rocky
Thanks for your match report. Surprisingly similar to my TV view.
Re: Finally, and I can't believe no ones mentioned this by now but did those umpires give it to us today or what? Never seen so many tackles laid by our blokes go unrewarded. Pathetic.
I thought this, and swore at the box many a time in disbelief :-[
Didn't mention it coz I thought it was my Navy bias at work. Somehow feels a little comforting to know it's a view shared. Not sure what the free differential was, but my money's on D's winning that stat by more than chance.
Go Blues
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - Thryleon - 04-02-2017
(04-02-2017, 09:40 AM)Raydan link Wrote:Very lopsided slant on performances today. Murphy runs his guts out and gets battered and gets crucified for a few turnovers, yet Pickett does one or two good things and he did OK? Give me a break, the reason that Murph and Gibbs are turning the ball over is fatigue and the young kids playing with them don't know how to make space. I saw Simmo on the back flank searching for a kicking target and all Pickett had to do was run to the boundary and he could put the ball out in front, yet he stood in the centre square. Over a quarter of the team have not played 10 games yet, that is why we lost not Murphy, Gibbs and Curnow.
With that behind me, I thought we played well today. We looked like an AFL team. Ball was switched, targets were hit, a definite defensive structure that only broke down a few times. Tackles were laid and our players stood up for each other. Loved Weitering coming in after Lewis slugged Cripps, closely followed by Wright and Silvagni. That's what build team spirit, you walk a bit taller knowing that you have mates that have your back.
White and Dennis are both on borrowed time, we just need someone to stand up and take their place from the VFL. We don't have a small defender on the list, Cam Poulson this is how you get a game, you ask to go to a back pocket, learn the game, use pace shot down the small forwards that we have struggled with for too long.
An improvement this week blue boys and a piss weak start
+1
Our biggest issue is the usual.
Too much left to too few, and a few players running round trying to get a kick who don't seem to know what they're doing.
add a sprinkle of over using the footy and it's an almost should have been a win.
I thought the umpires were giving Melbourne an armchair ride all day too.
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - PaulP - 04-02-2017
Free kick counts, as with all stats, can at times be misleading.
We won the frees 25-12 against the Tiges.
Apart from a couple of things, I didn't think the umpiring was any worse than usual.
I think AFL footy is pretty difficult to umpire to be honest.
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 04-02-2017
(04-02-2017, 01:38 PM)LoveNavy link Wrote:@rocky
Thanks for your match report. Surprisingly similar to my TV view.
Re: Finally, and I can't believe no ones mentioned this by now but did those umpires give it to us today or what? Never seen so many tackles laid by our blokes go unrewarded. Pathetic.
I thought this, and swore at the box many a time in disbelief :-[
Didn't mention it coz I thought it was my Navy bias at work. Somehow feels a little comforting to know it's a view shared. Not sure what the free differential was, but my money's on D's winning that stat by more than chance.
Go Blues
No question atackle by a Dees' player would get a free; same tackle bby one of ours...play on....saw at least half a dozen obvious frees in this vein not awarded. ThT HURTS.
Agreed also that SOJ's miss early in the last killed a lot of momentum.
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 04-02-2017
In regards to tackling, we didn't get free kicks because we don't pin one arm, it to do with technique and player development. The sad thing is our senior players are just as bad if not worse than the beginners.
PS; On player size and shape, our team looks much lighter this season, I'd thought so last week but comparing us to this time in 2016 we are obviously trained to be a different body shape. This year we have less bulk and more lean muscle, but we have a hardness. Excluding Levi who seems to have gone the other way we look like a team of Ken Hunters, this might be a good thing come seasons end, but it appears to have had some negative impacts on core strength or at least the ability to stay upright in tackles right at this moment.
Murphy; I gave Murphy some votes, I'd love to have given him more, but those turnovers by hand really hurt us! In both cases all he needed was a second of hesitation, half a side step, and he would have been able to deliver to advantage. I suppose the lad is gun shy now, having been thrown to the wolves too many times in his career. This is what you get when you don't look after each other on the field, to change Murphy's behaviour is probably too late now, the behaviour is ingrained and he is only a little bloke. Fearing being pummelled by the likes of Hogan is fair enough, especially when you've been surrounded by team-mates who run away most of your career! (Take note those wanting the young ones thrown in the deep end!) Which is why it was so good seeing Weiters redress the left hook from Lewis on Crippa.
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - blue4life - 04-02-2017
We can probably expect two or three goals from Silvagni and Weitering most weeks and if that was the case yesterday we probably win.
We won't win many and it's unlikely that we can knock off a good side, but we'll win a few.
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 04-02-2017
(04-02-2017, 11:16 PM)blue4life link Wrote:We can probably expect two or three goals from Silvagni and Weitering most weeks and if that was the case yesterday we probably win.
We won't win many and it's unlikely that we can knock off a good side, but we'll win a few.
When Weitering arrived at Carlton I made the analogy to Harry Taylor, possibly even better than Taylor.
Keep this paragraph in mind when considering where to play Weitering.
Quote:Harry Taylor back where he made it happen. The coach will probably say it’s horses for courses, yet Taylor’s return to the defence after yet another so-so performance as a key forward gives Chris Scott something to ponder. Taylor looks lost as a key forward, as he was against the Kangas and was moved to defence during the third quarter. Then in succession he marked over Majak Daw, spoiled Daw and then marked in front of Daw. The query will be Taylor’s pace, but gee he looks as ease as a defender.
We are going to fork up a A Grade attacking defender, a defender described in his draft year as possibly the best intercept mark ever to come out of the draft, and we are doing it just because "our club" hasn't an effective KPF!
Wake up to yourself Carlton, don't be a goose, Weitering forward is a very short term decision! In the media you stated you'd let Weitering settle and mature as a defender, in practice it didn't even make it to the first bounce!
Re: 2017 Rd 2: Post Game Postulations: Carlton vs Melbourne - BluePhantom - 04-03-2017
(04-02-2017, 11:57 PM)LP link Wrote:When Weitering arrived at Carlton I made the analogy to Harry Taylor, possibly even better than Taylor.
Keep this paragraph in mind when considering where to play Weitering.
We are going to fork up a A Grade attacking defender, a defender described in his draft year as possibly the best intercept mark ever to come out of the draft, and we are doing it just because "our club" hasn't an effective KPF!
Wake up to yourself Carlton, don't be a goose, Weitering forward is a very short term decision! In the media you stated you'd let Weitering settle and mature as a defender, in practice it didn't even make it to the first bounce!
Marchback forward then? :o