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Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - PaulP - 03-23-2017
(03-23-2017, 07:50 PM)Robblues link Wrote:All very close to the truth PaulP, thou things the glue doesn't stick to all surfaces either
Fair enough Rob.
If my memory is right, 6 of our players have played less than 10 games, and on top of that we had 3 debutantes. That's half the on field 18.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - Raydan - 03-23-2017
Don't know what people expected on the back of JLT series.
Last season we were hard to score against, it appears that this season we are not.
11 goals from defensive half turn overs, never going to get close with that.
Senior players handballing to the feet running players, but that being said Bulldogs have modelled their game on that but rely on players having the basic skill to pick up the ball on the half volley.
Richmond can take very little from this game, a backline of babies and a forward line lead by two second seaon players with Weitering showing up the best defender on a few occasions.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - PaulP - 03-23-2017
And can i just say, that Rance is a dead set, dirty a#hole.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - shawny - 03-23-2017
A few things about the game watching it live:
Kreuzer is tireless under rated workhorse with a huge heart. The big guy gave his all 'again'. Really hope we show faith with him and offer him a 2 year contract extension early. Would kill me to watch him play elsewhere. And he will get picked up this time if we let his contract lapse. Would have lost by another 5 goals if he didn't play.
Martin is a true bull. Poor coaching to allow a player with such devastating power to run it alone all night. Made no sense to me. He cant fend off as easily, if the player in on his hammer wearing him like a second skin. He will fend off any mid going around if you give him space and then try and run at him - he needs distance to fend well. Don't give him distance FFS.
Cripps could well have a arm/shoulder injury and miss a month or more of footy. Hope I'm wrong. Showed he has no preseason - will come good.
Rowe cops a lot of criticism but he did another 'honest' job. Tries his guts out and while not super talented plays a position where his main priority is to negate and defend the oppositions best forward and prevent them kicking a bag. He doesn't need to be a playmaker. Does what he is paid to do very well most weeks and again thought he won his position..
Marchbank reads the play amazingly well considering he is a kid. Has guts to hit a target under pressure. Big call but plays like a young Rance. Liked plowmans game.
Weiters mark over 2 tiges in the 3rd quarter was Carey like. What a presence he is and uses the ball better then our mids going into the 50.
Murphy pushed hard all night and was one of our best IMO. Player like he cared.
Not going to bother with Gibbs. Cant stand him so I wont give a balanced opinion.
Thought SPS intent was great. Good first up game considering an interpreted pre season.
Desperate for some more quality ball users.
Armfield gave us nothing. Could it have hurt to have him run with Martin. Has the speed and tackles well. Really poor coaching IMO.
Defence has not looked as fluent as it did last year. Moved the ball from a kick in so well early last year. Going the long bomb last night indicates a lack of confidence. Hope we can settle down back.
Disappointed a little as if we respected Martin and had a bit of luck with the 50/50 calls could have been a much closer game.
Tiges are not a serious contender this year.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - PaulP - 03-23-2017
Nice summary Shawny.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - Tragic - 03-23-2017
go back 2 or 3 seasons and we were stinking up the competition.
ask yourself how much promising youth we had on the list back then. wasn't a lot under 22. most of our draft picks from then and just prior are gone.
now ask yourself if we have more promising youth on the list. we still have some of the same 'senior' players stinking the joint up, but i personally have more confidence in the youth we have now.
really, when you have a club that is in need of a rebuild, then that's what matters.
i feel ok about last night's game. saw some good things, and saw some same old same old.
i do think we'll get better as the season progresses though. clearly still trying to get some cohesion and need to tidy up the skills quite a lot.
p.s. i thought Murphy & Special K played good games. Marchbank looked good but needs to tidy up disposal a bit - perhaps just needs to better understand his limitations by foot and eliminate a couple of shanks and suddenly his disposal will look good. he can read the play and take a mark though.
I know we have some guys who need to be backup only, no need to name them, but the kids need to prove to the match committee they deserve a spot in the seniors. there will be reasons we don't know about why some of them did not play last night.
it may well be a long year. hoping for a few surprise wins along the way. then we need to draft midfielders. lots of them...
i still think the plan was probably to -
draft talented tall forwards first (which we did). they take the longest to bring up to speed. they will be ready in a year or 2.
settle on a quality back 6. i think we're well on the way.
invest heavily in midfielders last draft and the next draft. they take a little less time to develop than talls.
have the youth develop in a way that they all start coming good at roughly the same time. still need older harder body's on the park, taking hits and in some cases just being there filling space while the younger guys develop.
this i think is what Bolton refers to as the plan for a sustained run at it.
the way our season is panning out we're going to have access to more quality mids at the next draft. that's what we need, and there's very few short cuts. i hope Gibbs either gets us more picks via trade, or is around in 2 or 3 seasons when the youth start to come good. i think he's the type of player that can play at his current level for quite a few years.
anyway - that's my 2 cents worth. hang in there guys.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - Brettie - 03-23-2017
Daisy Thomas.....please, stop taking the p!ss you friggin' useless list clogger >
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - Jeffy38 - 03-23-2017
Nailed it tragic, well said mate.
Some of the commentary here is ridiculous, apparently we are further from a premiership after last night. We are blooding young kids, ALL who showed something last night (inc curnow) and when was the last time we could say that?
Everyone expected we couldn't find goals, but looked the most coherent heading towards goal for several years. Unexpectedly it was our backs that crapped themselves and coughed up at least 5-6.
The difference with this crop of youngsters is they take the game on and will no doubt learn from the experience.
Like I said elsewhere, Bolton could easily have move weitering back, and played loose men back but how does that help in our development? Playing players in their positions, sprinkled with some experience is the best way for them to learn their role, their limitations and capabilities.
So whilst it was a disappointing loss, there was enough in it for me to walk away feeling content that we are on the right track. Much patience will be required.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - LP - 03-23-2017
(03-23-2017, 02:28 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:Sad when you know it's season over at half time of round 1.
People want the kids played, we have a list full of them, we better get used to seeing this sort of result.
We had virtually zero physical presence out there last night, when a midget like Murphy is injuring himself trying to make a statement you know you're in trouble. Too much heavy work needed from Kreuzer and Cripps, they are on their lonesome out there.
Rowe played OK, we need to find ways to get him involved in more physical play.
Casboult took some nice marks, but a bloke his size has zero physical presence except when a goose runs into him!
Shockers from C.Curnow, E.Curnow, White, Macreadie, Smedts and Pickett.
Re: 2017 Rd 1 Post Game Analysis: Carlton vs Richmond - madbluboy - 03-23-2017
I just thought we would be better this year but it looks like we're going backwards and that the first part of last year really was Bolton's honeymoon period and 2017 will look more like the 2nd half.