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Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - kruddler - 02-09-2017
(02-08-2017, 11:34 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I find the idea that Malthouse was/is considered a zealot of club culture ludicrous...he had different rules for different players at Collingwood and had clear barriers develop between his younger and older players.
...yet none of this is relevant to his time at Carlton.
Do you disagree that he had a large part in shaping the list?
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - kruddler - 02-09-2017
(02-08-2017, 11:40 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Hard core Pravda journalists would be envious of some of the propaganda on here.
Malthouse's time at Carlton = nothing priced like something.
Someone can not be wrong 100% of the time, just as someone can not be right 100% of the time.
Your anti-mick stance is such that you believe everything he ever did was wrong and to suggest otherwise is wrong.
Mick won us a final...and did other good things as well. The sooner you accept it the better off we'll be.
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - cookie2 - 02-09-2017
The unraveling of the old bad culture at CFC is certainly a non-trivial exercise which will continue to test our current coaching and recruitment staff for a year or two yet. However, I'm pretty happy with what we've seen so far and confident that they will eventually be successful, but ask me again at the end of 2017!
As far as previous regimes are concerned, and without subscribing to a particular ideological position, the appointment of MM was, as it turned out, based on a completely erroneous assessment as to where we were at as a club at the time. In short, the wrong coach for the wrong time. As far as list changes were concerned, I think that despite the loss of certain well regarded players (by some) we needed rejuvenation, come what may. When an organisation becomes stale, changes in personnel become vital - if you want people to change you have to change the people. Not true maybe in every case, some are more amenable than others and you have to be good at making the right changes!
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - ElwoodBlues1 - 02-09-2017
(02-09-2017, 12:25 AM)kruddler link Wrote:...yet none of this is relevant to his time at Carlton.
Do you disagree that he had a large part in shaping the list?
Going over old ground here but I'll play..Dont agree..I think its relevant to his time at Carlton, he was happy to go with his old ways and the Navy Blue rat pack initially when he was promising premierships and Nirvana to the faithful when he arrived at the club....agree?
Mick the Re-Builder/Shaper appeared after he had to admit he mis-judged the capabilities of the list and he was looking for a get out of jail card to save his job and try and get an extension, he did start shaping the clubs list by getting rid of players.. some who deserved it and some who didnt...Bolton and SOS have had to fix the list he miss-shaped....IMO.
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - PaulP - 02-09-2017
(02-09-2017, 12:55 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Someone can not be wrong 100% of the time, just as someone can not be right 100% of the time.
Your anti-mick stance is such that you believe everything he ever did was wrong and to suggest otherwise is wrong.
Mick won us a final...and did other good things as well. The sooner you accept it the better off we'll be.
On a personal level, I've never liked Mick, but that's neither here nor there. I wanted him to succeed at CFC more than you will ever realize.
His coaching record includes 3 flags. Whether this is considered an under or over or fair achievement, I will leave for others to debate. His record at the Dogs, Weagles and Pies was fair enough. I don't begrudge him that.
His record at our club stank to high heaven.
Every new coach that arrives at a club will seek to remake the list in their own image. Whether they do this straight away, or wait a season will vary. Lists are gutted all the time. I fail to see why he or any other coach should get credit for a process that is almost routine.
The players that many on here consider lacking commitment, lacking talent, head cases etc. has us regularly in finals. Malthouse supposedly replaced these players with players that had the right attitude - like Dre Everitt, Kristian Jaksch, Clem Smith, Jayden Foster, Dillon Viojo-Rainbow and Blaine Boekhorst. All recruited under Mick's watch. All except Boeky have done zilch.
I have no personal issue with Daisy, but his time at the club has been an epic fail. He was brought to the club against the advice of the club doctor, as our friend Jofo will attest.
Mick was given carte blanche when he arrived to do as he pleased. Whatever good things he did during his time here are not apparent to me.
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - PaulP - 02-09-2017
And I don't need to point out other issues, like :
ego driven public spats with players
sooky media performances
awful on field performances
forward line disappearing act under his watch etc.
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - PaulP - 02-09-2017
And can I also add that Mick won us a final under false pretenses.
I hope you are at least honourable enough to make Hird a permanent fixture on your Christmas card list, since your main MM claim to fame begins and ends with him.
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - Bear - 02-09-2017
Laughable to suggest that Malthouse went along with Murphy being made Captain for marketing reasons.
Murphy has remained captain under Bolton, so he must be in on the conspiracy as well.
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - PaulP - 02-09-2017
(02-09-2017, 02:18 AM)Bear link Wrote:Laughable to suggest that Malthouse went along with Murphy being made Captain for marketing reasons.
Murphy has remained captain under Bolton, so he must be in on the conspiracy as well.
Either that or the marketing department rules the roost at CFC, and all persons and all things are subjugated to them.
Re: Murphy to lead again in 2017 - kruddler - 02-09-2017
(02-09-2017, 02:18 AM)Bear link Wrote:Laughable to suggest that Malthouse went along with Murphy being made Captain for marketing reasons.Laughable that a bloke that had never played for the club could be made captain. Especially when he was a reluctant captain previously. Enter Judd
Murphy has remained captain under Bolton, so he must be in on the conspiracy as well.
Laughable to suggest that the club wanted to sack mick, but told him they still wanted him to coach out the season like nothing happened.
Oh wait.
The club wanted Murphy. He is the future of the club, he sells all the jumpers. Poster boy etc. He was obviously close to being chosen as the captain, but Mick didn't have the final say in that. The club overruled him. Its not the first time its happened and it won't be the last.
As for Murphy still being captain....there are a large amount of people that wish that wouldn't be the case....but whats done is done and we are sticking with it.