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Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - Thryleon - 07-17-2016
Kj is another transitional player.
He is neither good nor bad, and is a non factor for us moving forward.
The future lies elsewhere unless he wants to pull his finger out.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - townsendcalling - 07-17-2016
(07-17-2016, 03:12 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:Just because you continue to write it, doesn't mean it's fact.
The club are filthy with some of the contracts and trades/drafts that they were saddled with.
Thankfully the new management will overhaul the list at first opportunity.
Some guys on large contracts with little output will get a big shock.
KJ struggled to break in to an ordinary side then put in a howler.
He may have a contract next year, but he's no certainty to stay. If he does, next year will be it.
Of course that's after his brownlow.
There are times on this site where it reminds me of some of the share / stock sites. People pump up a stock ( in this case player) for their own interest. The unabashed love and support for Kristian Jaksch (on multiple forums) by some individuals when he was playing like an uncommitted spud in the twos (has he seen many games live?) to his positive spin on his abismal performance yesterday (again did he see it live? I don't think the TV gives you a great perspective) tends to point to a vested interest. Jaksch will get another game or two, only to confirm what we already know: he needs to be delisted.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - pinot - 07-17-2016
Happy with the lads young Jack is a player.
Jaksch can do better than that
Graham was really good
Buckley was amongst it and gave more than Daisy
Charlie like Jaksch perhaps needed that game to blow out some cobwebs maybe.
Play Weitering forward and bring McGlasker in the team. Weitering is an elite talent in the Buddy Franklin mould.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 07-17-2016
(07-17-2016, 09:20 PM)pinot link Wrote:Happy with the lads young Jack is a player.
Jaksch can do better than that
Graham was really good
Buckley was amongst it and gave more than Daisy
Charlie like Jaksch perhaps needed that game to blow out some cobwebs maybe.
Play Weitering forward and bring McGlasker in the team. Weitering is an elite talent in the Buddy Franklin mould.
Whooo there Pinot, bit over the top.
Weitering while a excellent player is no Buddy Franklin, but we haven't seen Weiters unload 60m+ goals yet and I know he can from watching his junior days. But he is 3 yards slower than Franklin and at the moment Weitering is 1/2 the strength.
Not sure Jaksch can do better than that, he delivered exactly what I expected from his VFL form. He doesn't work hard enough and that means the ball has to find him, he doesn't find the ball. Excluding injuries to others expect him out next week, Casboult in and maybe Jones in. AFL coaches will forgive most things except lack of work rate / effort.
Buckley was OK, not better or worse than Daisy, and didn't work nearly as hard as Daisy does. He needs to spend more time getting into opponents and less time winding up team-mates. Personally, I thought the Buckley/Armfield mix didn't work, Armfield was wasted and never got enough time to make his work ethic deliver.
Agree on Charlie Curnow, he looked rusty but got better as the day rolled on, should have been awarded for a great mark in front of McGovern.
JGM is not ready.
The form guy I think they should be promoting is Gowers and letting White be the swing-man. Having Gowers surrounded by the in-form Docherty, Plowman and Simpson makes it an ideal time to be blooding the kid.
PS: Is it ironic that our best forward was one of our defenders, sort of tells you something!
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - JonHenry - 07-18-2016
(07-17-2016, 06:59 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:There are times on this site where it reminds me of some of the share / stock sites. People pump up a stock ( in this case player) for their own interest. The unabashed love and support for Kristian Jaksch (on multiple forums) by some individuals when he was playing like an uncommitted spud in the twos (has he seen many games live?) to his positive spin on his abismal performance yesterday (again did he see it live? I don't think the TV gives you a great perspective) tends to point to a vested interest. Jaksch will get another game or two, only to confirm what we already know: he needs to be delisted.
Some of it borders on fanatical.
He simply isn't very good.
There is no need to get personal, but some guys can't control there emotions.
He was so poor we couldn't score and as soon as Weitering moved forward, the gates opened up, because McGovern stopped taking intercept marks every time the ball went forward.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - DJC - 07-18-2016
(07-17-2016, 06:59 PM)townsendcalling link Wrote:There are times on this site where it reminds me of some of the share / stock sites. People pump up a stock ( in this case player) for their own interest. The unabashed love and support for Kristian Jaksch (on multiple forums) by some individuals when he was playing like an uncommitted spud in the twos (has he seen many games live?) to his positive spin on his abismal performance yesterday (again did he see it live? I don't think the TV gives you a great perspective) tends to point to a vested interest. Jaksch will get another game or two, only to confirm what we already know: he needs to be delisted.
While I tend to agree, there is a certain amount of Jaksch bashing in response to his tyres being pumped up so hard.
I wouldn't write him off just yet, and the club obviously sees an upside in a tall who can potentially play forward and back. It will be interesting to see if he gets a run next week. I think that he should, but it won't surprise me if he makes way for Levi.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - cookie2 - 07-18-2016
Apart from his performances last year, which I can't remember that much about, yesterday was the first time I'd seen Jaksch since then. Tbh, I didn't notice him that much and he certainly made little impact on the game. It will be very interesting to see whether he retains his spot this week as I would think that if the club sees a future for him with us then he would be given another game or two, especially in the light of our current ladder position. I would think that SOS knows him pretty well and is in an excellent position to judge his future potential.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - Dominator_7 - 07-18-2016
Id give him an extra year to see if he makes it, simply because talented big guys don't grow on trees and we haven't got many at the club at the moment apart from the skinny kids.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - flyboy77 - 07-18-2016
(07-18-2016, 05:31 AM)Dominator_7 link Wrote:Id give him an extra year to see if he makes it, simply because talented big guys don't grow on trees and we haven't got many at the club at the moment apart from the skinny kids.
He's a legitimate swingman. Needs to put some meat on his body but still could be anything.....you'd think there might be issues with him outside of footy?
He is the least of our problems but no one could call him LIST CLOGGER just yet.
Re: Rd 17: Post Game Paralysis: Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 07-18-2016
Whilst I hold concerns for KJ and whether he will make it, I do respect the fact that he didn't get a full preseason in and was hospitilised at one stage. This is not to be underestimated. I'd be happy to give him games in a year of change and learning, I don't think one game in the 1's under a new regime is enough to warrant a career defining decision on a bloke. I reckon alot of it is between the ears for KJ, perhaps a good run in the seniors will lift his confidence and make him feel like he belongs.