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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - PaulP - 06-13-2016
This is effectively the same team that's been up for over a month. We beat the current flag favourites convincingly and had good wins over several other teams.
A couple of questionable match ups, a bit of inexperience in the coaches' box, and fatigue. That's it IMO.
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - ianh - 06-13-2016
I think the repeat games at Etihad is a big contributing factor. We were very lethargic and simply couldn't run with them. Poor coaching as well I must say, but more than anything we were a team longing for the bye to come ASAP.
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Debster - 06-13-2016
We played a man down with Walker on the ground. Bolts waited until 1/4 time to drag him (too late). Jogged around chasing the pack or lazily looking for a speccie in the goalsquare ..actually spoilt a Gorringe attempted mark which he had no right to. Unbelievable. The guy has no pace anymore and has lost his leap. If Silvagni can add 5kg of bulk/muscle to his frame surely he is a shoe-in for a leading forward role ?
Why did we play every slow short/stocky player on the list yesterday when St.Kilda had 2 tall forwards and 2 tall backmen out ? Richo must have been mightily relieved to see all our tall backup forwards playing at Box Hill on Saturday. Running us off our feet was always the plan for them...so why did we play our fatigued small & slowish forwards ?
Having Levi as a sole focal point in attack never works and needs sorting before next year. We need Harry, Jakcz & Silvagni in the team ASAP. Look for a specialist Membrey-like leading forward type in the draft as we can't play all the small forwards in the same team (Wright, Army, Lamb, Sumner). Playing our small forwards up on the wing was a recipe for disaster. No defensive angle to their game. We needed Byrne and Boekhurst..true wingmen and ball carriers.
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - JonDorotich - 06-13-2016
As others have said, Bolton and team were on the back foot from the start, with St Kilda's press impenetrable for the first 15 minutes or so. And then throughout the second quarter it became blindingly obvious that we needed a couple of targets down the line as it became very easy for St Kida's defenders to run Casboult under and away from the ball with some effective blocking - in hindsight, Everett or Gorringe should have provided a second target from the start of the game and we should have held our forward structure irrespective of St Kilda's full press.
Liked Plowman's and Docherty's games, but the game highlighted a number of issues to resolve for GWS (in addition to learning to deal with a press)
1.Kreuzer,s lack of impact at centre bounces and inability to mark
2.Tuohy's deteriorating awareness in traffic
3.Ciaran Byrne underutilised
4.Thomas continuing to chase cheap handball receives and offering meaningless 5 meter pass options
5.Everitt's and Gorringe's lack of intensity
6.lack of a target other than Casboult
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - blue4life - 06-13-2016
(06-13-2016, 12:57 AM)Debster link Wrote:We need Harry, Jakcz & Silvagni in the team ASAP.
I can't understand people pushing for Jaksch to be in the seniors.
He's played lots of VFL games and the coaching staff and match committee have had a good look at him, yet this weekend we named young Silvagni ahead of him and Plowman has gone straight past him.
I think we need to realise that it's unlikely that he'll measure up and that GWS got the better of the Jaksch/Whiley/Boekhorst deal.
It happens, some trades work out and others don't, we did well trading out Menzel, Henderson and Yarran and exceptionally well trading Hampson for Docherty.
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - crashlander - 06-13-2016
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:There was only one real opponent that J Steven should've had, and that is Armfield.Armfield would have been a good match-up, and could have hurt them the other way with his pace. Perhaps Kieran Byrne would have been another option, even though he probably hasn't spent time as a mid much: he has the pace and the tank. But yes, we were badly out-thought on this one.
After having some time to reflect it was plain for all and sundry to see, too cute with the footy.
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:Over-possessing the pill just allowed the saints to close up space defensively and smash us on the rebound.They put a lot of pressure on us and forced us to go backwards in possession. It was awful to see the lack of attack. But the 'Aints had done their homework and started with a spare defender.
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:Honestly i reckon Cripps goes 3rd man up too often, if its effective more often than not im all for it but its 50/50 at best and leaves us a man down on the ground around the stoppage.Both Cripps and Gibbs went up as 3rd man up and each time they were ready for it. Cripps got pinged twice for throwing the ball, while St. Kilda roved each one of Gibbs' efforts. They were ready for us.
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:Sharking Hickeys taps was a must, didn't happen.Our present midfield structure doesn't allow for sharking taps that are seriously to advantage. Alas, most of Hickey's taps really were to their advantage. Sometimes only St Kilda players were in the section of ground where Hickey tapped the ball to. They got a HUGE advantage out of that: none of our players was in position to defend and keep the ball in.
Hickey also rucked in a way that seemed to confuse our rucks. he often jumped up and out his hand on Kreuzer's shoulder to change direction in the air and keep him up. He was never penalized for it, so he continued it. It was very effective and hurt us in a number of ways. He even managed to interpose his body between the guy he tapped to and our mids at times.
We did NOT do our homework there. Hopefully we can learn from it and beat him next time.
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:Weitering should've been our 7th man in defence, not on Membrey whom i rate highly. The Irish boys were the perfect match up for him.Probably right. Weitering has the judgement to be in the right spot at the right time, but he struggled when St. Kilda just stuck the ball down Membrey's throat. Tuohy might have been a better match, or maybe even White, as he does usually make a LOT of body contact.
Weitering lost a lot of confidence as the day went on: it was clear in his decision making and approach to his marks. It was the first time he was really towelled up and he will learn from it.
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:Our team structure/defence fell down, which meant our backs were inundated.Yes. The ball moved down so quickly that nobody was in the position to support anyone else. It is the Achilles' Heel of the 'team defence' approach.
On the other hand, we moved the ball poorly and picked out St. Kilda defenders.
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:Kreuze has lost the ability to jump over opponents which wasn't his strength anyway but he mistimes a lot of jumps. He's great around the ground but he struggled against Hickey yesterday.He was butchered in the middle. Having only the single ruck option hurt us very badly. Gorringe wasn't up to the task and didn't really get an opportunity to show his wares elsewhere. Kreuzer also struggled in the air: he did not take a single mark for the day.
Bolton was right a few weeks back when he said that Kreuzer was a barometer of the team. When he is competitive, we usually do well. We he isn't, we get badly beaten. He had a down day and we suffered.
(06-12-2016, 09:10 PM)BlueAvenger link Wrote:We looked really bad yesterday, got beaten by a bunch of no names apart from Steven and Membrey.No-names often seem to play well against us. I hate that. it usually means we haven't done enough homework.
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - mina1 - 06-13-2016
after the brissie game curnow said we got smashed in the centre( so what happened bolts how did we rectify this. Again we showed wat a slow team we are against lions soon as they started to run in the second half they matched us.Saints exposed us with there run and spread as a team we are to slow. whiley and graham (slow) wouldnt helped yesterday u c our promblem.
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-13-2016
(06-13-2016, 01:16 AM)blue4life link Wrote:I can't understand people pushing for Jaksch to be in the seniors.
He's played lots of VFL games and the coaching staff and match committee have had a good look at him, yet this weekend we named young Silvagni ahead of him and Plowman has gone straight past him.
I think we need to realise that it's unlikely that he'll measure up and that GWS got the better of the Jaksch/Whiley/Boekhorst deal.
It happens, some trades work out and others don't, we did well trading out Menzel, Henderson and Yarran and exceptionally well trading Hampson for Docherty.
Casboult as a sole target doesnt work...he gets triple teamed and then you have Everitt and Walker??..the latter cherry picked a couple of goals and Everitt kicked one in junk time and then tried
to get his ratio up but refused to pass another one off that he missed....Both of them are unreliable and I see no future in either.....
The play the ruckman as your 2nd KP player doesnt work either....Kruezer cant mark or kick and Gorringe is a novice at both forward and ruck work who is better around the ground in general play.
We need a proper structure not this bandaid crap we have at the minute...
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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - blue4life - 06-13-2016
(06-13-2016, 02:41 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:We need a proper structure not this bandaid crap we have at the minute...
I agree completely but there's no point playing people who aren't up to it just for the sake of it, and Jaksch has had more than enough chances to earn a spot.
Jones isn't the answer either, Everitt has good and bad days, Walker isn't the player he was and Casboult is marginal at best.
We haven't had a true key forward since Fevola.
Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Amers - 06-13-2016
Didn't see the game yesterday, 1st game I have missed for the season.
It's always disappointing to lose to the Aints, I was worried about the number of games we had played at Etihad leading up to the game, but thought the number of outs through injury for the Aints might help get us over the line. It didn't.
Very happy to not have to play at Etihad for the rest of the year, now is our chance to play a few games on the "big stage' and see how well we go interstate.
6/6 is a lot better than most of us expected to be at this stage of the season, now to see what damage we can do in the 2nd half of the draw.
Go Blues !!