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Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - LP - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 06:21 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Yes I agree. When he went it was the loss of a true inspiration and a massive body blow for the club. I remember how gutted I was to realise we would no longer see him playing in the navy blue.
I'm afraid the SOS centric history of the 1995 GF really discredits some great players on the day;
Christou was magnificent off the HBF.
Spalding perhaps played his best game for the club.
Kouta showed early signs of becoming Kouta!
Bradley showed why being hard and tough at football can also mean gut running an opponent into the ground!
etc., etc..
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - LP - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 06:23 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Ablett actually came up to play on the wing for some stretches of the game to get a kick....yet Silvagni stopped him there too.
Because the ball wasn't entering their F50, and you should recall SOS and Christou double teaming him on the flanks as well no doubt!
We flogged them, he had little opportunity and was beaten when he did!
We had runners everywhere and attacked relentlessly, we locked the ball inside our F50 with blokes like Spalding laying massive tackles and Williams playing forward for extended periods!
Our runners should have offered SOS an overcoat to keep warm!
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - kruddler - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 06:28 AM)LP link Wrote:Then you should recall SOS and Christou double teaming him!
So what you are saying is team defense as well as individual defense helped us win the game.
Glad we agree on how important it is to defend then.
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - LP - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 06:31 AM)kruddler link Wrote:So what you are saying is team defense as well as individual defense helped us win the game.
Glad we agree on how important it is to defend then.
Yes exactly, if Christou had been tagging he would never have been there to help SOS defend!
PS; Don't confuse defense with tagging!
We are debating having too many taggers, every team has the same number of defenders!
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - kruddler - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 06:34 AM)LP link Wrote:We are debating having too many taggers, every team has the same number of defenders!
Only our team has taggers instead of defenders though...apparantly.
...and our tagger get more of the ball than most of our midfielders.
....and they kick goals as well.
....and are not actually taggers at all!
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - LP - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 06:45 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Only our team has taggers instead of defenders though...apparantly.
...and our tagger get more of the ball than most of our midfielders.
....and they kick goals as well.
....and are not actually taggers at all!
Just not as many as opposition ball winners!
We have too many taggers and a game plan that is obsolete and too defensive, there is nothing further needed as evidence as it's there on video, at the ground and in the specialist commentary!
You can listen to the likes of Carey, Lyon(x2) and Roos, who primarily defend MM to get it right but not necessarily defend the game plan. In fact I have supported MM as a potential Director of Coaching, but not as match day coach if he cannot change his ways. When it comes to the game plan I chose to listen to Dunstall, Matthews, Fevola and Parkin who all have gently hinted that time has past it by!
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - BluePhantom - 04-20-2015
Sooo, does this mean under Ratten we were too attacking and now under MM we are too defensive?
Can't we just play bl**dy football.
Boys today... see ball get ball... let the boys play.
Under MM they seem in two minds as to what to do with the ball, hence making the wrong decision a fair bit of the time. I can't remember a time when we have kicked it straight to an opposition player. Not just an over kick or a kick just wide of our player but primary school stuff of passing straight to them. Jeez if we hit up our forwards as well as we lace out oppo players they would be talking up or kicking skills. :
Why can't we have two or three stay at home forwards ALL THE TIME :o
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - kruddler - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 08:03 AM)BluePhantom link Wrote:I can't remember a time when we have kicked it straight to an opposition player.
That says more about your memory than any game plan issues.
One of the best 1-liners i can remember was said by Brettie in an in-game thread when we played the Bulldogs sometime during the Ratten era.
Something along the lines of...
"As far as i can tell, our gameplan is to kick it directly to Brian Lake and hope his jumper changes colour"
It's been happening for longer than anyone cares to remember. You're a lucky one because you've been able to forget!
Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - Juddkreuzer - 04-20-2015
Our foot skills have been severely lacking for more than a decade now. Even those players who are very capable by foot are making too many turnovers. I speak of Gibbs, Murphy, Judd and Thomas. Then we have the butchers, Bell, Tuohy, Curnow and Walker. In between these two groups is a collective of uninspiring users of the footy. The only blokes I'd let off at this stage are the Ciarans (who have both shown a bit), Docherty and Simmo.
It's a far cry from the 95 team when there were few players you couldn't trust with the ball in hand. (apologies to Harry
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Re: Round #4 Carlton vs St. Kilda in NZ: Pre Game prognostications - DJC - 04-20-2015
(04-20-2015, 08:38 AM)Juddkreuzer link Wrote:Our foot skills have been severely lacking for more than a decade now. Even those players who are very capable by foot are making too many turnovers. I speak of Gibbs, Murphy, Judd and Thomas. Then we have the butchers, Bell, Tuohy, Curnow and Walker. In between these two groups is a collective of uninspiring users of the footy. The only blokes I'd let off at this stage are the Ciarans (who have both shown a bit), Docherty and Simmo.I don't think we are lessed skilled than other teams, we just have an extra degree of difficulty in our execution.
It's a far cry from the 95 team when there were few players you couldn't trust with the ball in hand. (apologies to Harry
Compare our ball use with that of our opponents. When we get possession, particularly in a clearance or contested situation, the ball is thrown onto the boot and it's a 50-50 proposition whether it goes to our advantage. This was particularly evident against Essendon where we won the clearances but turned the ball over before the second or third possession.
Most, if not all, other teams use a string of handpasses to get the ball to a runner in the clear. This results in a balanced kick not under pressure or a couple of bounces and a measured kick.
Our reluctance to handpass creatively means that our disposal by foot is under pressure and misdirected as a result.