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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - dodge - 07-06-2020

Interesting Graphic

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR32_Di6CyM8_b-T9KYbgChY0bltaI2rO3oz5b5IqA_dkekwmK_ga59DPjg

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 07-06-2020

(07-06-2020, 11:51 AM)dodge link Wrote:Interesting Graphic

https://public.flourish.studio/visualisation/2944635/?fbclid=IwAR32_Di6CyM8_b-T9KYbgChY0bltaI2rO3oz5b5IqA_dkekwmK_ga59DPjg

Wow, brings home, very succinctly the seriousness of the issue.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 07-06-2020

(07-06-2020, 10:59 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:The folk in the lockdown towers in Melbourne have received their first food designed to last them 48 hours.
A daughter and her elderly mother received 4 sausage rolls....
The local Mcdonald's must have been shut, nice to know you are valued so highly.. Disgraceful if that's the standard of food..

I saw some very different food stocks provided from a variety of different sources.

Something doesnt add up there.  Smells of trying to paint a certain picture IMHO.  Else we would have a mass outrage.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-07-2020

(07-06-2020, 11:50 PM)Thryleon date Wrote:I saw some very different food stocks provided from a variety of different sources.

Something doesnt add up there.  Smells of trying to paint a certain picture IMHO.  Else we would have a mass outrage.
Agreed, it's another example of the post truth world, where all that matters is an opinion even if it is political.

The worry for me is that the 4th Estate is supposed to be the guardian of truth, not the propagator of lies, yet at this time in history it seems to be choosing what it debunks and when!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 07-07-2020

(07-07-2020, 12:01 AM)LP link Wrote:Agreed, it's another example of the post truth world, where all that matters is an opinion even if it is political.

The worry for me is that the 4th Estate is supposed to be the guardian of truth, not the propagator of lies, yet at this time in history it seems to be choosing what it debunks and when!

Seems the new god for the 4th estate is 'click bait' and to hell with anything else!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - cookie2 - 07-07-2020

There used to be a saying in my youth "Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers". Never has this been more true than right now.  :o

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - flyboy77 - 07-07-2020

(07-06-2020, 10:28 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Wow, brings home, very succinctly the seriousness of the issue.

Absolute lie this chart.

Cherry picked to make it look far, far worse.....than the reality.

What do people die from? https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death#all-charts-preview

On your chart malaria at #2, in the full chart malaria barely top 20.

More fake news.

And the BS that is the PCR test. LP (I think) suggested 70% accuracy.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/?fbclid=IwAR2jn-7-W7hg4c6TQ1vJIogyvgz0I3UJR3EJss4XC06RhoL8oBv16izuilI

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 07-07-2020

(07-07-2020, 02:47 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Absolute lie this chart.

Cherry picked to make it look far, far worse.....than the reality.

What do people die from? https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death#all-charts-preview

On your chart malaria at #2, in the full chart malaria barely top 20.

More fake news.

And the BS that is the PCR test. LP (I think) suggested 70% accuracy.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/06/27/covid19-pcr-tests-are-scientifically-meaningless/?fbclid=IwAR2jn-7-W7hg4c6TQ1vJIogyvgz0I3UJR3EJss4XC06RhoL8oBv16izuilI

Thank you, FB, but it's not my chart... just posted my reaction to it. Good to know it's bs. But still, half a million folks having perished from c-19 is pretty sobering, to put it mildly.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 07-07-2020

(07-07-2020, 03:00 AM)Baggers date Wrote:Thank you, FB, but it's not my chart... just posted my reaction to it. Good to know it's bs. But still, half a million folks having perished from c-19 is pretty sobering, to put it mildly.
Actually the Flourish chart is pretty good, in that it reports realistic figures of a bunch of relative diseases over a short period. I don't think the authors made any effort to represent itself as a statistical breakdown of all deaths.

As I mentioned before, it's easy for cynics to misrepresent the statistics, because they publish and discuss the figures as absolute and not as percentage change in a baseline. COVID-19 is a new disease, it's numbers have to be reported in addition to pre-existing causes of death, not as a percentage of the previous death rates!

A nice figure in the flourish chart is the COVID-19 versus Influenza, as cynics always use the "COVID-19 is no worse than the Flu"  argument, but clearly that is not the case and never was! If you hear "COVID-19 no worse than the Flu", you know it's fake news!

FWIW, the general international consensus is that COVID-19 deaths are understated, because many regions use the numbers as a political tool. For example, China and Russia pretty much exclude COVID-19 as a cause if any other disease is present. They do that despite it being accepted that people with pre-existing conditions are far more susceptible to death from a coincident COVID-19 infection. For example, if you get a COVID-19 infection and that affects your heart and pass away, and you have a record of a previous heart condition, Russia and China will report the cause of death cardiovascular disease. Meaning the reported figures are artificially low, probably only for political and social engineering purposes.

Anyway, all that spin is just for the media and conspiracy theorists, the numbers are so big and the sample size so large that the baselines are well established now. How many get it, how many of those who get it will die, are all pretty much locked into the math.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-07-2020


That other better food was from charities not the government.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/mum-and-daughter-reveal-shocking-melbourne-lockdown-conditions-022310703.html

191 new cases...we are heading for full lockdown in Melbourne