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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-07-2024
I listened to an interesting discussion last night about the fear of vaccines and other things delivered by injection, I think I've heard this before.
A psychologist made a link between an evolutionary fear of being bitten or stung, needles and the anti-vaccine, 5G tracking chips, insert other suitable conspiracies here movements.
The explanation given was that the fear of being bitten or stung is inherent, it's part of our survival instincts, and some significant percentage of those protesting against vaccines are basically unable to overcome those evolutionary traits to avoid the sting. Modern society has only made things worse, adults aren't supposed to be scare of "a little needle", there is stigma attached to it, so subconsciously they make a link to unfounded rumours as a justification for the avoidance of injections.
Now I'm not sure if this is a good hypothesis to discuss openly, because surely there will be some that will make this a slur on those protesting, which can only divide. But next time you see those MAGA wearing diabetes riddled anti-vax protestors, you might have an unusually explanation, to them the needle is nothing more than a mechanical wasp, the rest is just an excuse!
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 08-07-2024
Sounds like a load of crap.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-08-2024
(08-07-2024, 10:44 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:Sounds like a load of crap.It's a known and accepted consequence of evolution, you are here today because an ancient ancestor jumped at shadows they thought might be a tiger, if they didn't they would be at greater risk of being prey.
In modern society it's education and knowledge that overcome primal fears, but those primal fears still exist, knowledge doesn't mean we are immune to them but knowledge helps to mange the fear.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-08-2024
According to wikipedia, one of the main proponents of this idea is James G Hamilton. Wikipedia cites one of his papers from 1995. That's 30 years ago. I'd be curious to see the current consensus view on this among psychologists.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 08-08-2024
(08-08-2024, 12:43 AM)PaulP date Wrote:According to wikipedia, one of the main proponents of this idea is James G Hamilton. Wikipedia cites one of his papers from 1995. That's 30 years ago. I'd be curious to see the current consensus view on this among psychologists.Yes, I don't think the needle fear issue can questioned as it's self-evident in one form or another, but the association of anti-vax / anti-5G (with the associated micro-chips in the blood conspiracies) and other phobias is interesting.
Hamilton and his peers often discuss involuntary syncope as a key indicator something other than a conscious reaction is happening here.
I have an associate, somewhat considered to be a physical brute, +200cm and +100kg, manual labourer, callouses on callouses, muscles on muscles, is brought to his knees by a 34G needle, something so fine it is barely seen or registers for many people! His fear is irrational and for him a source of embarrassment, I've seen him brought to tears by a travel vaccination, so distraught over how his reaction would be viewed by his children he arranged separate appointments. It's a real world effect.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-08-2024
It's of course not correct to treat the MAGA crowd as one undifferentiated lump, but I'd guess for many of that crowd, especially the males (and probably young males) the no needle / no vax thing is an identity marker more than anything. Their rhetoric, which features a lot of talk about toughness, hype masculinity, not taking cr@p from anyone etc., would be exposed as hollow posturing if they were scared of a needle.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-08-2024
As a small aside, I'd be interested to know how many of the no vax crowd have tattoos.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 08-08-2024
(08-08-2024, 01:18 AM)PaulP link Wrote:As a small aside, I'd be interested to know how many of the no vax crowd have tattoos.
Boxing great Manny Pacquiao refused Floyd Mayweather's requests to do extra drug tests which involved taking his blood on top of the standard
urine tests. His team said he was afraid of needles despite having numerous tattoos.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 08-08-2024
A lot gets touted about anti vax people but if you want to find out where that mistrust sentiment comes from it's as simple as politicians are liars, so anything they push meets a justified sceptical response from people who perceive themselves as not being given a fair go.
Not absolving it but that's just how it goes.
Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - PaulP - 08-08-2024
(08-08-2024, 01:23 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:Boxing great Manny Pacquiao refused Floyd Mayweather's requests to do extra drug tests which involved taking his blood on top of the standard
urine tests. His team said he was afraid of needles despite having numerous tattoos.
That sounds rather strange to me, and I'd hazard a guess that the reasons given are not the real reasons, but that's just my personal opinion.