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Re: Football Department Review - PaulP - 08-13-2021
The issue is not whether he is entitled to an opinion, the issue is that dissenters should keep their opinions to themselves, and that the Gods cannot be questioned under any circumstances.
Re: Football Department Review - cookie2 - 08-13-2021
We should always question all "Gods" but we shouldn't stop listening to them.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-14-2021
(08-13-2021, 09:36 PM)PaulP link Wrote:Some people on here have an extremely patriarchal, borderline fascist expectation that those who have achieved something should not be questioned anywhere, under any circumstances. As if somehow everything they say is Gospel. You take what people say on its merits, not on the status of the author.
Nicholls hasn't been involved in football for decades. He should also be aware that we've already had two tough bastards in the last 20 years, who much like their opposites (the nice guys) have gone south in rapid succession. If that's his idea of a solution, then it's no better than the average punter.
I think I get where you're coming from, Pauly.
But... (you knew it was coming, didn't you
).1. Big Nick is still very involved with what is going on at the CFC. He may not hold an official office, but believe me, he is involved and should be highly regarded as a mentor, as he has the credibility to be such.
It is not fascism or simply giving credibility to an opinion because it comes from a great of the club. This is wisdom. And he deserves more than to be judged simply on using a term like 'tough bastard.' You have to ask yourself, 'what does he mean by tough bastard?' To me it meant finding people with the ability to instill discipline and leadership in a tough bastard of a game.
2. Big Nick has a huge footy IQ. How he outsmarted Hafey in '72 was pure genius... and they were only able to counter it the following year with thuggery. You never lose that intelligence to immediately spot a problem and why it has come about and what works in countering that problem. His experience and knowledge of our game is of great value.
3. Many principles and values in life never change with the passing of years. People who've lived through, and eventually succeeded, at a particular profession do not lose an intelligence, instinct and knowledge for that profession with their advanced years. In fact, being a little separated from the day to day dealings in a work place, gives the elder an objective perspective combined with deep experience that is invaluable. Big Nick, and others who've 'slain the beasts in the arena' carry within them enormous knowledge and wisdom.
4. Rather than rejecting Big Nick's thoughts on our club for the reasons you state, I, personally, would seek and respect his observations - often.
Re: Football Department Review - PaulP - 08-14-2021
You can still respect someone 100% yet disagree with something they say. This isn't the land of Kim Jong-un.
Re: Football Department Review - Baggers - 08-14-2021
(08-14-2021, 01:10 AM)PaulP link Wrote:You can still respect someone 100% yet disagree with something they say. This isn't the land of Kim Jong-un.
You sure can. But unlike Nth Korea, you are still free to disagree with their disagreement. I respect you, personally, absolutely, yet I still find myself disagreeing with you... from time to time.
Re: Football Department Review - PaulP - 08-14-2021
(08-14-2021, 06:17 AM)Baggers link Wrote:You sure can. But unlike Nth Korea, you are still free to disagree with their disagreement. I respect you, personally, absolutely, yet I still find myself disagreeing with you... from time to time.
Lol. When my head stops spinning, I might try and decipher that. It reminds of the original French slogan for a fragrance I used to wear back in the day, Azzaro Pour Homme : "Un parfum pour les hommes qui aiment les femmes qui aiment les hommes". Not for the slow witted.
Re: Football Department Review - DJC - 08-15-2021
Another bloke who gets written off as a dinosaur from a bygone era is Sellers Maclure. Given his ongoing involvement in footy from playing days to media commentator, and his astute observations about the game as it is today, I generally value his contributions and yesterday's effort was pretty good.
When asked about the situation at Carlton, he slammed the club for appointing Teague then providing him with no development . He contrasted Carlton treatment of Teague with the development offered to coaches by other clubs and other sports. Clearly, Teague's spell as caretaker coach must have been more than enough to discard the training wheels and make him the equal of the League's veteran coaches :
Sellers also made the comment that the club does not like feedback, something that Robert Walls mentioned when declining to answer a question about our club
Re: Football Department Review - PaulP - 08-15-2021
I'm pretty sure I read Teague saying he did not want or need a mentor or additional support / development when he got the gig.
I'd be curious to know, whether in light of those comments above, Maclure thinks Teague should or should not keep his job.
Re: Football Department Review - Thryleon - 08-15-2021
(08-15-2021, 01:29 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I'm pretty sure I read Teague saying he did not want or need a mentor or additional support / development when he got the gig.we won't get anywhere until we start maximising peoples potential rather than expecting them to improve us.
I'd be curious to know, whether in light of those comments above, Maclure thinks Teague should or should not keep his job.
Re: Football Department Review - capcom - 08-15-2021
(08-15-2021, 01:24 AM)DJC link Wrote:Another bloke who gets written off as a dinosaur from a bygone era is Sellers Maclure. Given his ongoing involvement in footy from playing days to media commentator, and his astute observations about the game as it is today, I generally value his contributions and yesterday's effort was pretty good.
When asked about the situation at Carlton, he slammed the club for appointing Teague then providing him with no development . He contrasted Carlton treatment of Teague with the development offered to coaches by other clubs and other sports. Clearly, Teague's spell as caretaker coach must have been more than enough to discard the training wheels and make him the equal of the League's veteran coaches :
Sellers also made the comment that the club does not like feedback, something that Robert Walls mentioned when declining to answer a question about our club
Exactly ... love to hear what Wayne Johnston's views are as well.