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Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-18-2022
(12-18-2022, 08:27 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Today's openers don't get the concept of "knocking the shine off" and putting overs into the bowlers. As a side we don't do well batting time . Then again, Warner never lasts long enough. But on that pitch bazball was the option because you were a walking wicket trying to bat time, as Head, Smith and Veeryn showed. Eventually you were going to get a good one (QED Smith).Aus don't play the real quicks well imho, they got lucky because the saffies batsman are very poor but in England we will get knocked over imho.
The short stuff worries our top order regardless of this pitch and when it's coming down at 150k you can see the techniques that won't hold up.
England will be doing everything they can to get Wood and Archer on the park for the Ashes series.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - DJC - 12-18-2022
I heard an interesting discussion on the wireless before the start of play. Kim Hughes asked about a South African batsman whose impeccable technique had impressed him on a previous tour. The South African commentator said that his technique had deserted him and went on to explain that his loss of first class cricket form coincided with his rise in IPL rankings,
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - crashlander - 12-18-2022
(12-18-2022, 10:34 PM)DJC link Wrote:I heard an interesting discussion on the wireless before the start of play. Kim Hughes asked about a South African batsman whose impeccable technique had impressed him on a previous tour. The South African commentator said that his technique had deserted him and went on to explain that his loss of first class cricket form coincided with his rise in IPL rankings,The IPL has much to answer for, not the least being the fairly ordinary techniques that are now plaguing India.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - LP - 12-18-2022
Personally, I don't think the pitch was anywhere near as bad as the commentary makes out.
A lot of the commentators are looking after their mates trying the paint the pitch as abominable, when in reality it's just that it's not the flat track T20 style pitch we've become use to seeing.
I think the points highlighted by [member=65]Professer E[/member] and also [member=324]DJC[/member] about diminished techniques is very valid, and interestingly late yesterday Kim Hughes was making similar points on radio. He basically thought like myself that the pitch wasn't as bad as suggested, the bowling was good but not as good as some made out, and the batting was basically very poor. In particular Hughes made some very good points highlighting the apparent inability of the modern top end players to leave the pill, he said they play like they are obliged to score runs every over. That sounds to me like the influence of T20.
He mentioned stuff like batting techniques and tactics which force bowlers to change their length, turning over the strike regularly, and patience at the crease, all seem diminished.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - DJC - 12-18-2022
One of the ABC commentators, a former Aussie women's cricketer I believe, played down criticism of the pitch and gave the bowlers, from both teams, all of the credit. She said that she didn't think any dismissals were the result of poor batting, just good bowling.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - Professer E - 12-18-2022
Agree 100% EB, other than Marnus our batting is technically awful and decent bowling - spin or pace - shows it up very quickly. The art of batting has been lost - playing yourself in, batting to the flow of the game etc.
And I agree the pitch was bowler friendly, but the batting was awful. Simply awful. If Australia had of bowled well on day one instead of tolerably SA could have been for far, far fewer. I don't think either side played well - batting ineptitude was the main thing I took from the test.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - LP - 12-19-2022
(12-18-2022, 11:16 PM)DJC date Wrote:One of the ABC commentators, a former Aussie women's cricketer I believe, played down criticism of the pitch and gave the bowlers, from both teams, all of the credit. She said that she didn't think any dismissals were the result of poor batting, just good bowling.Shizen, when you go back to the replays and see some of the gaps left between bat and pad it's hard to agree with that assessment, seriously some blokes were missing pills that barely deviated by almost two stumps!
I must admit, in live action I thought the bowling was better than expected, on review the batting was awful. They were batting like the bowlers were throwing grenades at them!
Boland stated after the match that they(Aussie bowlers) thought the pitch quickened up a bit in the 2nd day, but batting got worse! :o
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-19-2022
(12-18-2022, 11:17 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Agree 100% EB, other than Marnus our batting is technically awful and decent bowling - spin or pace - shows it up very quickly. The art of batting has been lost - playing yourself in, batting to the flow of the game etc.Agree...Marnus is probably the best technically but I thought he too looked rattled when it was quick and lifting, techniques are a long way off what they were in the eighties and it was an era dominated by quick bowling and you had to get in behind the ball, get your head in the right position and watch the ball while getting your bat out the road at times and all without the luxury of a helmet in the early part of that era.
And I agree the pitch was bowler friendly, but the batting was awful. Simply awful. If Australia had of bowled well on day one instead of tolerably SA could have been for far, far fewer. I don't think either side played well - batting ineptitude was the main thing I took from the test.
The pitch was bowler friendly but had even bounce and the sideways movement was acceptable and not extreme.
Not sure what Elgar was on about with is unsafe criticism, no one got hit and it was his bowlers dealing out the short stuff in the main anyway. Their batting is horrible and with no one averaging over 40 in the team its not hard to figure out why they got rolled so cheaply twice and it wasnt the pitch. As you say building an innings and grinding your way through seems old school now and bazball has given an excuse for poor techniques and poor shot selection to be tolerated under the guise of entertainment.
Test cricket being turned into short format cricket doesnt do much for me and it wont be long before 5 day games become 3 day games if the present standards continue.
South Africa are planning on playing less test cricket and having their own IPL style league because they need the money which is coming from Indian IPL owners and its hard to see them being competitive in test cricket looking into the future.
Only Australia, India and England will be able to afford and provide a proper test format in terms of competitive cricket played in the traditional way and cricket purists who see test cricket as the ultimate level of the game are going to get robbed of that pleasure.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - dodge - 12-19-2022
It is almost like batsmen haven't played against a moving ball. It would be interesting to look at historic stats (eg Siddons, Lehmann, Love days when they couldn't get a game). for a comparison in Sheffield Shield. Season to date:
18 Games played, 64 innings - 10 wins (outright), 8 draws
7 scores above 400 - of these 5 matches have resulted in a draw
Total runs first innings - 4,649 (average team innings of 258.27) batsman average of 27.67
Total runs second innings - 3,500 - team average 194.44, batsman average 24.47
There seems to be a lot of results - maybe that is some of the issue that batting time doesn't necessarily get a result, so may as well hit out or get out.
Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread - spf - 12-19-2022
"It is almost like batsmen haven't played against a moving ball" - an almost exact quote of Richie Benaud regarding the Australian team performance against Richard Hadlee in Brisbane (1985 I think).
Some of the comments about techniques are interesting - go watch some of the footage of the 1980's and you will see just as many poor players, particularly in the Australian line-up.