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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - kruddler - 04-19-2023

My (other) son has finally tested positive.
Myself, wife and first kid are still negative despite all feeling sick at the same time.
Officially, I still haven't had it, my wife either.
Little fella (6yo) is doing fine.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 11:27 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935971/AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-no-longer-available-Australians-Coronavirus-jab-discontinued.html

Yes, as my former colleague Prof Bennett points out, AstraZeneca has been superseded.

Why would anyone be vaccinated with AZ when the modern bivalent vaccines are readily available?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - shawny - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 11:27 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935971/AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-no-longer-available-Australians-Coronavirus-jab-discontinued.html

Not really a surprise. After all how can any vaccine with such limited testing not carry a significant risk. Our governments pushing these vaccines on children was criminal imo and parents that obliged should be ashamed of themself.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - shawny - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 01:38 PM)DJC link Wrote:Yes, as my former colleague Prof Bennett points out, AstraZeneca has been superseded.

Why would anyone be vaccinated with AZ when the modern bivalent vaccines are readily available?

Ok to say that now but at some of the early stages of the roll out AZ was all that was available and the governments and of course the ‘experts’ on this site where very quick to claim all vaccines available were safe.

Is this the only covid vaccine that we change our opinion on when possible negative side effects come out ?

Doubt it.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 01:38 PM)DJC date Wrote:Yes, as my former colleague Prof Bennett points out, AstraZeneca has been superseded.

Why would anyone be vaccinated with AZ when the modern bivalent vaccines are readily available?

There are vehicle components in every vaccines some people are allergic to, that is why you need alternatives with a different vehicle.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 02:16 PM)shawny date Wrote:Is this the only covid vaccine that we change our opinion on when possible negative side effects come out ?

If you stick a dry needle in a billion people some will have adverse reactions, some will die, most will be fine.

Adverse reactions to vaccines are normal, it is why they observe you for a few minutes after any shoot, not just Sars-CoV-2 vaccines.

I don't know the count now but the figures are immense, if we scaled any vaccination scheme to the level as the COVID vaccines we find the same or worse.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 11:27 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935971/AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-no-longer-available-Australians-Coronavirus-jab-discontinued.html

So you think News Ltd is OK, ,...... that is a bizarre perspective to take!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Lods - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 11:27 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Cos everyone has been so honest about vaccines haven't they?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11935971/AstraZeneca-Covid-vaccine-no-longer-available-Australians-Coronavirus-jab-discontinued.html

The message around vaccination has changed a bit from the initial "Get vaccinated to protect us all" to "Get vaccinated to protect yourself."
It's become a very individual and personal decision.
I had my fifth shot about three weeks ago.
I probaby had more of a reaction to my flu shot about a week ago than to any of my covid shots.

I had AZ for the first vaccination and Pfizer for the subsequent ones
I think in making the decision to be vaccinated or not we look for a bit of information.
Sometimes, as with most things, our bias 'for or against' leads us to give a bit more credence to information that supports our beliefs.
On a quick read of the Mail article you could easily get the message that AZ is suddenly causing blood clots and has had to be withdrawn.
A more in depth read reveals nothing quite so dramatic....in fact it's old news.
The blood clot issue has been around since the vaccine rollout began.
When I was looking for fifth vax options it seemed that Moderna and Pfizer both seemed to have specific vaccines for the latest Omicron variants, so the AZ had been superseded.

It is a personal issue and the virus can vary greatly in it's effects on individuals.
If even the 'experts' aren't 'experts' (and thoughts and practices have changed greatly since the initial days of the virus) it's probably best left to the individual to decide what's the best course of action for themselves.
Having had Covid, and with a few health issues I feel pretty comfortable with my level of protection.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 09:22 PM)Lods date Wrote:I had AZ for the first vaccination and Pfizer for the subsequent ones.

The early science suggested cross vaccination was the best strategy and that has been now shown to be true, I was advised by my GP to go with cross vaccination, then if you are lucky you maybe got the new Omicron option as the last booster and this should deliver the longest resistance possible.

Politics plays a big part of all this, while AZ was made available at low cost forever to the 3rd world, the 3rd world cannot make it, but they have formed a cooperative to make the mRNA versions.

If you were to be technically brutalist the safety numbers are no better or worse for either vaccine option, and actually these vaccines are as statistically safe as any vaccine in history.

Regardless, the News Ltd article wants to build on vaccine hysteria by exploiting the death of a woman from Meningococcal, they are so disingenuous about it they actually change the headline on the page that the link opens, in my opinion they should be prosecuted for deliberately misleading the public.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - shawny - 04-19-2023

(04-19-2023, 03:36 PM)LP link Wrote:If you stick a dry needle in a billion people some will have adverse reactions, some will die, most will be fine.

Adverse reactions to vaccines are normal, it is why they observe you for a few minutes after any shoot, not just Sars-CoV-2 vaccines.

I don't know the count now but the figures are immense, if we scaled any vaccination scheme to the level as the COVID vaccines we find the same or worse.

LP, stop spinning things mate.

You can't just admit they got this particular vaccine wrong and that's why its now banned.

You're downplaying it saying 'Adverse reactions to vaccines are normal'

You're better than that LP.