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Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 09-14-2016
Thry, if it were Clinton v Romney, I'd have no problem with that. But Trump is a disaster waiting to happen and we can't insulate ourselves from a Trump Presidency. Trump would be ecstatic if voters see a false equivalency between Clinton and him, throw their hands up in the air out of frustration and refuse to vote.
What the Yanks need to do is conduct root and branch reform of campaign financing and lobbying. That's currently impossible. The Supreme Court has ruled that corporations are people too and they have a constitutionally protected right to free speech and that entends to the right to use money to influence political decisions - see the Citizens United case. Chief Justice Roberts said he sees no evil in politicians supporting the interests of corporate interests in return for campaign financing. In his view, that is democracy at work. Until the Supreme Court reverses that position, there's no hope of changing the system. It's much more likely that Clinton will nominate Supreme Court Justices who will reverse Citizens United than Trump. There is a current vacancy to fill and maybe a couple of others in the next 4 years. That may allow that ruling to be reversed or at least wound back.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 09-14-2016
LP, I don't see the term 'disruptor' as perjorative. AFAIK, it has entered the lexicon after the success of Uber in breaking into an old system and shaking it up. It's now used in a positive sense when talking about people who seek to reinvent various industries. I'd imagine that change-seekers would wear it as a badge of honour.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 09-14-2016
(09-14-2016, 12:56 AM)Mav link Wrote:Obama is campaigning for Clinton while she's laid up. He's a much better campaigner than either Clinton or Trump. His approval rating is up to 58% and he's a powerful orator.
"Don't it always seem to go,That you don't know what you've got
Till it's gone"....Joni Mitchell
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - dodge - 09-14-2016
Heard something interesting on the radio the other day...
Apparently the polls are showing a third person (can't remember his name) is sitting @~9%.
If Clinton or Trump don't get a majority, which may happen with the above getting a significant number of votes, the House of Reps gets to vote on who becomes President. House of Reps are also up for election, but if it remained status quo, there is a significant Republic majority. However, with some internal dissatisfaction with Trump, it is not necessarily so that he would be a shoe in.
I would also be interested who would be favoured if there is a very low voter turn out.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 09-14-2016
The House only elects the President if no candidate wins 270 electoral college votes. That simply can't happen unless someone other than Clinton or Trump wins 1 or more electoral college votes. To win votes, a 3rd party candidate would have to receive more votes than both Clinton or Trump in a State (or in the case of a couple of states which split up their votes into districts, by winning g such a district). Getting 9% of the vote won't do that.
What a 3rd party candidate might do is take enough votes from either Trump or Clinton to swing a state one way or the other. Unfortunately, it's most likely that they'll syphon off votes from Clinton. Disaffected Sanders voters might go Green or Libertarian. Never Trump Republicans might prefer to vote for the Libertarians or for the Never Trump candidate. If it were only a 2 horse race, many would opt for Clinton.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 09-14-2016
(09-14-2016, 07:45 AM)Mav link Wrote:The House only elects the President if no candidate wins 270 electoral college votes. That simply can't happen unless someone other than Clinton or Trump wins 1 or more electoral college votes. To win votes, a 3rd party candidate would have to receive more votes than both Clinton or Trump in a State (or in the case of a couple of states which split up their votes into districts, by winning g such a district). Getting 9% of the vote won't do that.
What a 3rd party candidate might do is take enough votes from either Trump or Clinton to swing a state one way or the other. Unfortunately, it's most likely that they'll syphon off votes from Clinton. Disaffected Sanders voters might go Green or Libertarian. Never Trump Republicans might prefer to vote for the Libertarians or for the Never Trump candidate. If it were only a 2 horse race, many would opt for Clinton.
....or stay home
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - dodge - 09-14-2016
Thanks Mav
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Woodstock - 09-14-2016
Read this in the Guardian this morning. Poignant to this discussion of root and branch reform.
Leaked documents reveal secretive influence of corporate cash on politics.
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/14/corporate-cash-john-doe-files-scott-walker-wisconsin?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Mav - 09-15-2016
Yep, campaign finance reform is desperately needed but hamstrung by the Constitution, according to their Supreme Court. Dark money and super-PACS give the wealthy plenty of influence. The Koch brothers' Red State Strategy and financing of politically-loaded higher education are also influential, the former enabling the Republicans to gerrymander the House.
Is a disaster unfolding? Don't Look Now: Donald Trump Has All The Momentum In The 2016 Race, the Age, 15/9/16.
Looks like the 1st Presidential Debate is looking more and more critical. Unfortunately for Clinton, she is expected to win it given her debating skills, so she'll have to slay him mercilessly to benefit from it. A decent showing from Trump would be a win for him.
Re: US Presidential Election 2016 - Lods - 09-15-2016
(09-15-2016, 01:00 AM)Mav link Wrote:Is a disaster unfolding? Don't Look Now: Donald Trump Has All The Momentum In The 2016 Race, the Age, 15/9/16.
Yep
It defies everything that's rational but.....
Quote:“This shouldn’t be close, but it’s close,” President Obama said at a fundraiser Tuesday night......
http://www.msn.com/en-au/news/world/the-trump-surge/ar-BBwaCWt?li=AAgfYrC