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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 02:53 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.
Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.
I'd heard he was struck on the hand shortly before he was dismissed and it caused problems, it's a pre-existing injury apparently.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - spf - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 02:31 AM)Pratty link Wrote:Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.
I will be very interested to see how Warner goes with a smaller bat, I have always thought that might reveal just where he sits amongst the good players.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 02:53 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.
Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.
We now select Stoinis - who has scored 160 runs this shield season at 16, but scored a great hundred in a meaningless ODI vs NZ. Meanwhile the other form all rounder in Australia - Moises Henriques, is peeling off huge runs [650 odd for the season at 65], and has just come off scoring a career best 250 and a nice half century yesterday. He's in career best form and ready to go, but we leave him at home.
The selectors decision to pick guys with little or no shield form for test cricket [Maddinson, Wade, Marsh] has been a disaster - but these blokes never learn their lessons. Who holds these guys accountable for their continual stupid and incoherent selection decisions??
Warner's record on the sub continent and England is terrible for one simple reason - his poor footwork gets found out against the moving or spinning ball. He moves his back foot to leg rather than back and across. And I don't think he's smart enough to adapt and fix the problem as it is so ingrained, so he tries to manufacture shots to try and mask problem. Unfortunately it's not working, and the quicker they get Kwaj in for him the better, but there is no way he will be dropped.
Warner hit 5 half centuries last tour to England. He has scores 52, 38, 83, 77, 64, 85. Hit 3 centuries and 2 half centuries in South Africa too against the world's best attack. Also 133 and 58 in his two test against the Pakis in the UAE on spinning tracks. Actually, on those bunsen burners in India even score in the 30s he got probably weren't bad. Those pitches are diabolical. Also, after a flop in the first Test had scores of 42, 41 and 68 in the last two Tests in Sri Lanka. Only criticism of Warner overseas is he gets decent scores without going right on.
As for Stoinis he's a lucky man after averaging 15 this season. At least he got 46 today, the first decent thing he had done at first class level all year. Maybe we hypnotise him and tell him he's playing a one dayer in New Zealand before he goes out to face the Indians...lol!!!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 02:31 AM)Pratty link Wrote:Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.
Read the post above. You might be surprised. Definitely our VC.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DJC - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 08:16 AM)laj link Wrote:Warner hit 5 half centuries last tour to England. He has scores 52, 38, 83, 77, 64, 85. Hit 3 centuries and 2 half centuries in South Africa too against the world's best attack. Also 133 and 58 in his two test against the Pakis in the UAE on spinning tracks. Actually, on those bunsen burners in India even score in the 30s he got probably weren't bad. Those pitches are diabolical. Also, after a flop in the first Test had scores of 42, 41 and 68 in the last two Tests in Sri Lanka. Only criticism of Warner overseas is he gets decent scores without going right on.
As for Stoinis he's a lucky man after averaging 15 this season. At least he got 46 today, the first decent thing he had done at first class level all year. Maybe we hypnotise him and tell him he's playing a one dayer in New Zealand before he goes out to face the Indians...lol!!!
Stop using facts Jim, it stifles discussion
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - sydneybluesfan - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 10:36 AM)DJC link Wrote:Stop using facts Jim, it stifles discussionYou are correct that his UK stats aren't too bad, but he still averages 37 from 8 tests which is slightly below par for an opener.
Across India and SL he has now played 9 tests and averages 26. Whichever way you cut it that is poor for an opener. Given the 'horses for courses' policy this is going to be questioned soon. I think he will survive for the next 2 tests because he is a potential match winner, but he doesn't look anything like the threat he does on the flatter pitches of Aust and SA.
But he's not our biggest problem - lack of batting at 6 & 7 and a 9/10/11 who look all at sea mean we are always going to struggle. In the last 2 tests our 9/10/11 have added a total of 31 runs across 4 innings - a collective average of less than 3!
The decision to leave the form batsman in Australia back at home when they had a chance to get him on the plane yesterday just beggars belief.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 03-09-2017
who is that SBF? the form player?
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - sydneybluesfan - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 08:48 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:who is that SBF? the form player?Moises Henriques - scored 659 runs for the shield season averaging 66 and just coming off a 256. I know he has limitations, but he is a good cricketer in career best form. We pick a bloke who averages 15 this year when runs are like gold over in India at the moment!!!
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 03-09-2017
(03-09-2017, 08:52 PM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:Moises Henriques - scored 659 runs for the shield season averaging 66 and just coming off a 256. I know he has limitations, but he is a good cricketer in career best form. We pick a bloke who averages 15 this year when runs are like gold over in India at the moment!!!
fair enough, and he can bowl a bit too?
Form should be rewarded undoubtedly, not a lack of it!
For mine, we would have won dat 2nd Test if Maxwell had played ahead of Mitch Marsh....
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - Professer E - 03-09-2017
Our best bat in the last India series was Siddle at 8.