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Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - kruddler - 07-01-2024
(07-01-2024, 10:19 AM)PaulP link Wrote:I think the question of whether or not to ruck certain players needs to be considered separately from the Kennedy incident. Cripps and McKay seem to take their fair share of ruck contests, so the club seems okay with it. I'd be curious to know if other clubs assign occasional rucking duties to their stars.Paul Roos is a good example of what to do (and not do) with your stars in the ruck.
As an aside, to my eyes Taranto's foot seems the likely culprit.
Paul Roos used to ruck Goodes....until he got a knee on knee while jumping at a centre bounce and did a PCL. He vowed never to use him in a centre bounce rucking contest again. (i believe they changed the rules since then anyway), but he never did.
However, he did use him in around the ground stuff when required because the chance of injury was no more or less than in any other contest around the ground, be it marking, or in a midfield battle.
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - madbluboy - 07-01-2024
Kennedy looks like will only miss a week.
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - DJC - 07-01-2024
(07-01-2024, 11:08 AM)kruddler link Wrote:So the ONLY reason Kennedy did his knee was because he was in a ruck contest??? Yeah nah.
If Taranto and him did the same thing and there was a brick wall there instead of Kosi, it would've been the brick walls fault too.
If what happened with Taranto didn't happen, then he doesn't do his knee. You know how i know this? Because he's done the same things 100's of times already in marking contests, rucking contests, midfield stoppage contests.
He was off balance because of the Taranto contact.
So far, that makes myself, Paul, the commentators agreeing with that side
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You....and maybe LP blaming it on the ruck contest.
Side by side, in a push and shove and that would ONLY happen in a ruck contest?
As an aside, you suggesting the ONLY reason he hurt his knee was because of the lateral flex caused by Kosi, i refer you to a story i've told many a time previous about a former QB Teddy Bridgewater, who hurt his knee to the point where he almost had to get his leg amputated while at training......and without any contact whatsoever. Doctors said it was akin to a car crash......yet no contact.
Sometimes $h!t just happens.
You can play the blame game, but that did not occur because he was used as a ruckman. That occured because he was playing a game of footy and was a complete accident.
Give it a break Kruddler; the foot clash with Taranto was a factor but it was the force applied by Koschitzke that did the damage. Watch how Kennedy’s knee buckles as Koschitzke engages with him before winning the hitout.
Could the injury have happened in another play phase? Of course it could, but it actually happened in a ruck contest and no amount of spin can change that.
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - Thryleon - 07-01-2024
(07-01-2024, 11:11 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Paul Roos is a good example of what to do (and not do) with your stars in the ruck.
Paul Roos used to ruck Goodes....until he got a knee on knee while jumping at a centre bounce and did a PCL. He vowed never to use him in a centre bounce rucking contest again. (i believe they changed the rules since then anyway), but he never did.
However, he did use him in around the ground stuff when required because the chance of injury was no more or less than in any other contest around the ground, be it marking, or in a midfield battle.
It's possible that the increased risk is there and both of you are essentially correct you know.
I dislike rucking cripps, less so Kennedy and Harry is just as likely to knock himself out in a marking duel as anywhere else. Only other player I'd loathe rucking is weitering.
Even so, it's going to happen from time to time. Sooner or later someone will get hurt in a ruck contest. That's when the call for two rucks come back. Thing is, whilst we play one lone key defender in weiters we likely can play two rucks, with pitto going a kick behind play and tdk going forward at times.
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - PaulP - 07-01-2024
There's a moment in the clip when Cincotta crosses between the viewer and Kennedy so it makes it a little hard to see. To my eyes, it looks like Kennedy's right leg (the front of his thigh) hits Koschitzke's buttocks. Could that cause a medial ?
At any rate, none of us are biomechanics experts. This does not seem like a hill worth dying on. Perhaps we can just enjoy being second on the ladder, and according to Healy, current flag favorites, as opposed to arguing about who we should take with pick 1?
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - PaulP - 07-01-2024
On the latest Footy Feed, Josh Gabelich is suggesting Kennedy "looks like he's going to miss a chunk of footy," and that we should know more in the next day or two.
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - kruddler - 07-01-2024
(07-01-2024, 11:21 AM)DJC link Wrote:Give it a break Kruddler; the foot clash with Taranto was a factor but it was the force applied by Koschitzke that did the damage. Watch how Kennedy’s knee buckles as Koschitzke engages with him before winning the hitout.Have you ever one a knee?
Could the injury have happened in another play phase? Of course it could, but it actually happened in a ruck contest and no amount of spin can change that.
I have, multiple times. I can feel it while I watch that.
Most of the times I've done it was due to my weight being off balance rather than contact....just like Kennedy.
Difference was, I did my ACL.
If that is your strongest argument for needed 2 rucks in the side then I rest my case.
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - tex - 07-01-2024
(07-01-2024, 10:39 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:utter garbage, Rich player ducked his head and forced the high contact. If he didnt duck his his head it would have been relatively a body on body contact. Roll out the KC.Game has become a fucking joke
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - Gointocarlton - 07-01-2024
(07-01-2024, 12:43 PM)tex link Wrote:Game has become a screwing jokeIm all for protecting the head but when the player ducks his head, all bets are off IMO.
Re: AFL Rd 16 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond - pinot - 07-01-2024
(07-01-2024, 12:43 PM)tex link Wrote:Game has become a screwing joke
From the moment the current AFL administration made the decision to take weight of a players stat off the books you know the game is going to get very soft. Careless my butt - the guy with the footy has as much duty of care as the player without it in that instance.