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Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Thryleon - 04-08-2024
I think Cornes changed his tune when he appointed Voss. He must have had dealings with him at Port Adelaide.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - tonyo - 04-08-2024
I went, and TBH we were lucky. But at the same time, we missed a bunch of gettable goals - Cripps, McKay (Q2), Cottrell, Acres (Q3) all missed very gettable shots that would have given us a decent lead in a tight game.
The team certainly looked like they we in a bit of holiday mode at the start, but slowly worked up to a harder edge.
We need to defend short chains down the wing better - I lost count of the number of times Freo had a free run with short passes and snappy handball while we were back-pedalling.....
But gee, it's funny how 2 minutes of football can change a futile 1600km drive into a 'great weekend'.
And FWIW, Gather Round is pretty special - Adelaide was sure buzzing.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - LP - 04-08-2024
(04-08-2024, 01:57 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:I think Cornes changed his tune when he appointed Voss. He must have had dealings with him at Port Adelaide.Hmm, I think Cornes knows who butters his bread and he'll go where the money is, regardless of whether that is right, wrong, controversial or downright immoral.
Carlton playing and winning always delivers one thing the haters can never deny, $$$$$.
On a more serious note, I suspect what fans are experiencing is really the magic of the Cook! I was watching a show the other day that had a character called "Master Chief", it immediately made me think of labelling Brian Cook the "Master Cook"!
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - DJC - 04-08-2024
It's disappointing that our hard fought win has become obscured by a segment of the media's focus on one umpiring decision. It's also disappointing that Andrew Dillon was naive enough to add fuel to the fire by his unqualified acceptance that there was an umpiring error. He should have made it clear that field umpires make decisions in real time and don't have access to slo-mo replays and touched ball calls go either way in virtually every game. After all, the Freo players were claiming that the ball came off Aish's head rather than his shoulder.
Cripps was robbed of shot at goal when an out on the full free wasn't paid after Hughes toe-poked the ball in our forward pocket. Then there's Kemp copping a friendly fire kick in the face and not being sent off under the blood rule until after the Sonny Walters' free. As famous NBL referee Eddie Crouch said to me when I was fouled for a perfect shot block on Bruce Doull, "Swings and roundabouts!" So many decisions can go either way in a game of footy that it's pointless to focus on one incident.
It was an interesting game with Freo being a lot cleaner with their ball use and uncontested footy. While we seemed a little off, our defensive work was very good and we were able to shut them down and force kicks to contests. Freo did much the same to us.
While we were well down in the clearances, we often got the first touch but couldn't capitalise on it. When we did win the clearance, we made the most of it. Freo didn't get great value from their clearance work. Jackson has been the standout ruck in the opening rounds with exceptional Champion Data rankings and 18 AFLCA votes but Tom De Koning's all round game was too good for Jackson. An interesting stat; Jackson gained 27m, De Koning gained 325m.
Freo's tall forwards were a constant threat but Weitering's dominance and generalship gave our defenders an edge. McGovern was under a lot more pressure than usual and had a relatively quiet game. The other defenders all had very good games. Williams in particular is improving with each game and he'll be missed next week.
Harry was out of sorts and I thought the heavy knock he copped early in the game may have caused some damage. We missed his dominance in the air but Charley helped to make up for it.
Probably the determining factor was our game awareness. Freo's players were caught out by our surge and didn't respond until it was too late. Our blokes knew exactly what was required when it counted and they got the job done.
PS My shot block on Bruce Doull was in a geriatric competition long after we both should have given the game away
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - cookie2 - 04-08-2024
Some pundits rate the Freo defence as the league's best I understand. If that is right then we did pretty well!
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Gointocarlton - 04-08-2024
(04-08-2024, 03:40 AM)tonyo link Wrote:I went, and TBH we were lucky. But at the same time, we missed a bunch of gettable goals - Cripps, McKay (Q2), Cottrell, Acres (Q3) all missed very gettable shots that would have given us a decent lead in a tight game.We may have been lucky but we were in a position to be in it until the end, that's not luck. Who's to say that if the ball was called touched that we didn't score a goal from the stoppage. Who's to say Freo wouldn't have given away a free at the stoppage and Chirpy Clarke wouldn't have robbed off just the same. Everyone can whinge about it all they like, reality is we are 4 zip and I am confident we can beat anyone, anywhere, anytime.
The team certainly looked like they we in a bit of holiday mode at the start, but slowly worked up to a harder edge.
We need to defend short chains down the wing better - I lost count of the number of times Freo had a free run with short passes and snappy handball while we were back-pedalling.....
But gee, it's funny how 2 minutes of football can change a futile 1600km drive into a 'great weekend'.
And FWIW, Gather Round is pretty special - Adelaide was sure buzzing.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Gointocarlton - 04-08-2024
(04-08-2024, 07:37 AM)cookie2 link Wrote:Some pundits rate the Freo defence as the league's best I understand. If that is right then we did pretty well!Our defence isn't to shabby either and if not for all those frees 20m directly in front, we would have pumped them.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-08-2024
TDK is again overrated imo, I gave him a vote for breaking even with Jackson in the ruck contests but in all the other stats apart from metres gained he was behind Jackson and the disposals TDK got went at around 37% disposal efficiency, Jackson wasnt much better at 57%. For me it was a nil all draw with those two and I thought Freo shaded us in the midfield where Brayshaw was the best player on the ground and Serong very effective as well.
Thought our backline won us the game led by Weitering and Kemp plus Freo's tall forwards were a non factor and well beaten all game. Freo's defense is helped by their game plan and its Ross Lyon like both in operation and the lack of scoring which just leads to a grinding predictable low scoring slugfest. While Longmuir is coaching I cant see Freo ever being a serious finals contender...
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - Baggers - 04-08-2024
If I hear that we were 'lucky' again, I'll tear off my own ears! If you want to talk 'lucky', how about Freo getting 66% of their goals from frees... some there, some not. The end.
Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle - dodge - 04-08-2024
Had to go out with 15 mins to go. Checked scores, Freo were ~10 points up with 3 mins to go, so I wrote it off. Pleasantly surprised with the result!
Touched - so what, must happen a bit when getting it out of packs as others have said.
Nothing controversial from my perspective after watching it back. I thought we could have been a few goals in front by the end of the second, but it was a tough day at the office.