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Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - dodge - 08-07-2023
St Kilda were pretty good in the first half and like others I was thinking here we go again - should I stop watching now and do something useful? We were OK, but entries into 50 were ordinary and they got a few easy goals.
We got smarter after half time and worked harder, which paid off. St Kilda got tired, it seemed.
Commentators were pumping up Fish in the first quarter, made note of how quiet he was in the 2nd and treated him normally after that.
Players would be speaking to the line coaches on the eau de cologne, but it does look odd particularly with Vossy next to them.
Dow is pretty strong at the footy and can get it - hopefully he and his teammates get confidence out of that. Rapt for him kicking that goal.
Charlie was obviously quiet, but still managed to do some very good things. Plenty of contributors this week. Be interesting if Boyd comes straight back in.
Commentary was OK when BT wasn't involved, when he was it went downhill quickly. (As an aside, I was gardening and listening to SEN for Nth v Melb game - pleasanly surprised with no hyperbole - they were actually calling the game - we could tell what was happening, so well done!)
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - RiverRat - 08-07-2023
(08-07-2023, 03:26 AM)dodge link Wrote:Commentary was OK when BT wasn't involved, when he was it went downhill quickly.
Agreed - although BT is less annoying when you turn the volume down.
Wish he would give up trying to give 'expert commentary' on which way the ball will float or where the kicker should aim when kicking for goal - especially when playing under the roof - more often than not, I am content when their players miss and ours kick it in the right general direction.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - LoveNavy - 08-07-2023
AFL media
Great to see Acres in the top 10 ??
Dow starring in the 9 things learned??
Well deserved. Take a bow.
I'm still adjusting to this Carlton positive media gig... I like it
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - RiverRat - 08-07-2023
(08-07-2023, 01:06 AM)WASurfer link Wrote:Acres continues to impress. I commented at the start of the season that he would be a big recruit for us and give us plenty of improvement. Some knocks on his kicking from time to time but yesterday he was one of the best in the first half when not much was going right and kept it up in the second half. He was getting the ball at every position on the ground and the bigger body helps out without the likes of Walsh, Kennedy and Cerra not out there. The running goal to seal it was a brilliant individual effort. He works hard, covers a lot of ground and is solid overhead. I reckon most of his kicking woes occur because he is not very fast and is too easy to pressure when he tries to run with the ball.
Dow....his first half was riddled with the same panic disposals and dumb footy moments but to his credit, he stuck at it and was one of the reasons we lifted in the second half. Earned his spot. Agreed; but I think he would be more effective if he were to develop his hand-passing because he is not quick when trying to dispose of it and not strong enough to break clear of 'would-be' tacklers.
Fisher...certainly his best game this year and one of the best he's played for us IMO. Agreed; he was played in a position that allowed him to use his speed and to kick without too much pressure. Seems like the stint in the VFL might have been worthwhile but I will wait to see if he can reproduce the goods. Even SPS managed to turn in an impressive game (sometimes two) in similar circumstances before reverting to type.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - RiverRat - 08-07-2023
(08-07-2023, 02:05 AM)Lods link Wrote:I think a lot of concern around the first half was related to our inability to handle the pressure that St Kilda brought.
It was error riddled.
Handballs to players under pressure, poor execution, miskicks, indecision... and we really weren't bringing our own pressure which has been a feature of our wins.
Lyon's planning was pretty good, just as an example, he was able to quote deatiled aspects of Curnow's season in his presser, so they sussed us out pretty thoroughly and his troops did the job pretty well for a half. Most things were working for them.
But it wasn't sustainable, and by the end of the game the St kilda players were shattered, beaten by an overwhelming force.
At that stage, the poor disposal and indecision disappeared because our players now had time and freedom and we looked much more like the team of the last six weeks.
Saints gave it their best shot...and it wasn't good enough, even against a depleted Carlton side.
They may struggle to get back from there.
I don't think there's a lot of negativity about the win, and especially the second half...but the first half we didn't cope as well as we have, and were in a bit of strife handling their pressure.
Excellent summary of key issues
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - LoveNavy - 08-07-2023
I listened to the call on AFL Nation or was it ABC?? Anyways our own McClure gave the expert comments from what I could tell.
It was nothing short of hilarious towards the end. His excitement and passion for the old dark navy blues was palpable.
When asked if player A could do task B, he said yes - on repeat. He referred to the time remaining with a mix of nervousness and hope. In the last few minutes a commentator asked another question. He virtually said "don't talk to me right now" As a fellow Bluebagger who has shared the long journey into the drought, it was a blast listening along. Probably sounded like rubbish to Saints fans.
Needless to say after the siren Mark pulled it back and gave a very balanced thoughtful player and team assessments.
That beats listening to the BT BS every day of the week.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - Gointocarlton - 08-07-2023
(08-07-2023, 04:22 AM)LoveNavy link Wrote:I listened to the call on AFL Nation or was it ABC?? Anyways our own McClure gave the expert comments from what I could tell.I find Sellers both honest and brutal. For someone who is long retired, he knows the game well and is able to strip it down to the basics and how well you need to do them
It was nothing short of hilarious towards the end. His excitement and passion for the old dark navy blues was palpable.
When asked if player A could do task B, he said yes - on repeat. He referred to the time remaining with a mix of nervousness and hope. In the last few minutes a commentator asked another question. He virtually said "don't talk to me right now" As a fellow Bluebagger who has shared the long journey into the drought, it was a blast listening along. Probably sounded like rubbish to Saints fans.
Needless to say after the siren Mark pulled it back and gave a very balanced thoughtful player and team assessments.
That beats listening to the BT BS every day of the week.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - LoveNavy - 08-07-2023
(08-07-2023, 04:32 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I find Sellers both honest and brutal. For someone who is long retired, he knows the game well and is able to strip it down to the basics and how well you need to do them
Indeed. He certainly knows football and isn't influenced by any of the nauseating boys club nonsense. He calls it as he sees it. Over the many years I've heard his brutal assessment of our list, and club more broadly. Sometimes made me cringe but he was never far from the mark, pardon the pun!
It was just so enjoyable to listen to his authentic navy blue view.
Go Blues
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - LP - 08-07-2023
Mucher tougher circumstances yesterday, but I remain impressed with Motlop's progress, he didn't have it all his own way yet he didn't shy away from the contest.
Motlop in that form with that attitude, in combo with Owies, are miles ahead of the other options as far as I can tell.
I thought they were all pretty good in terms of attitude and effort, pretty sloppy early, but the heat was on and the pressure was high, I thought both sides burnt a lot of opportunities but we went up a gear in the 2nd half and it was the tell.
Re: AFL Rd 21 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-07-2023
(08-07-2023, 05:29 AM)LP link Wrote:Mucher tougher circumstances yesterday, but I remain impressed with Motlop's progress, he didn't have it all his own way yet he didn't shy away from the contest.Said it before but Motlop has benefited with that run in the twos and some time in the middle, he hopefully develops into that Kossie Pickett style of player who can have a run onball in the seniors when we need a lift and some X factor, when he runs with the footy he really looks the part and I have liked his composure in the last few games.
Motlop in that form with that attitude, in combo with Owies, are miles ahead of the other options as far as I can tell.
I thought they were all pretty good in terms of attitude and effort, pretty sloppy early, but the heat was on and the pressure was high, I thought both sides burnt a lot of opportunities but we went up a gear in the 2nd half and it was the tell.