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Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Lods - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 06:13 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Yeah I dont agree with all of that. I think the fwd craft has always been there but for the most part but the poor delivery has messed up the finishing off. When the delivery was fast and clean this week, we saw plenty of fwd craft with the bigs and smalls in sync. Martins gather off Charlie's hands and dish off to Harry for a goal was sublime (such is his talent). Agree lets hope Cunners and Martin can remain uninjured and make through every game to the years end. DC definitely added another dimension. Like me, you may have blinked and missed his run, gather and dish off on the half back line in the 3rd qtr, I couldn't believe my eyes and had to watch it again. The bloke oozes class and speed, exactly what we need. May the the footy gods bless him with some luck FFS.
Stats tell a part of the story of any match.
They're not the 'be all and end all'...but one interesting stat is the "Disposal inside 50 efficiency."
It should probably be read in conjunction with the number of times inside 50.
For example in the Adelaide game we had 53 'inside 50s'...Adelaide had 51.
But their "disposal efficiency inside 50" was 64.7%...ours was 39.6%
More inside 50s but much less efficient.
Here's our "disposal inside 50 efficiency" for each game this year.
Rnd 1 v Richmond -Draw-46.7%
Rnd 2 v Geelong -W- 56.3%
Rnd 3 v GWS W- 44.3% (GWS was only 37%)
Rnd 4 v North- W- 51.9%
Rnd 5 v Adelaide- L- 39.6%
Rnd 6 v St Kilda -L- 46.2%
Rnd 7 v WCE-W- 71.4%
Rnd 8 v Brisbane-L- 44.7%
Rnd 9 v Western Bulldogs-L-42%
Rnd 10 v Collingwood-L-43.1%
Rnd 11 v Sydney-L-37.3%
Rnd 12 v Melbourne-L-41%
Rnd 13 v Essendon-L- 50%
Rnd 14 v Suns-W-63.6%
Our season average is 48.6%...we were much better yesterday with 63.6%
But with only 4 more inside 50s...55-51
Suns inside 50 efficiency was 41.2%
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 06:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:Almost every one of Martin's disposals ended up with a positive result for us, although there was more than a bit of luck attached to his shot at goal from just inside 50. Two of Paddy's disposals found a target; a handball to Cripps and a kick that Charlie took on the bounce. The rest were 40m kicks to contests and he wasn't really under pressure. Paddy has to make his possessions count.Martin has to get more than eight possessions a game...last week he had eight as well with only four finding a target. Been subbed off twice which doesnt help his stats but I guess thats easing him back in given his injury history so he probably needs a few more games to assess properly.
Dow needs to be played for 4 quarters to see if he has improved, coming on for junk time last quarters when games are over doesnt really tell us much. I still think he will be struggling to maintain his spot on the list.....
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Thryleon - 06-19-2023
We need to be more careful with our list management.
Need to cut less for the sake of it, and look at the net coming and going. I've seen fisher named as dead weight but to me he's useful just having a poor run.
If we can move on another 6 true dead weight players, then we should likely persist with these guys.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 07:36 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:We need to be more careful with our list management.I reckon I could find ten dead weight players but each to their own, we need to be careful when we get wins vs lowly teams
Need to cut less for the sake of it, and look at the net coming and going. I've seen fisher named as dead weight but to me he's useful just having a poor run.
If we can move on another 6 true dead weight players, then we should likely persist with these guys.
like WC and GC that we dont get seduced by players who over perform in these games and then cant get a kick vs the better teams.
We dont want to be resigning players who are down hill skiers or are the play well for a quarter types.....get a kick vs Port or Collingwood etc then you get to stay but I'm not interested in players who are heroes for a day vs WC, GC, Nth, Hawks or the like because thats not going get us anywhere going foward.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - kruddler - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 07:08 AM)Lods link Wrote:Stats tell a part of the story of any match.
They're not the 'be all and end all'...but one interesting stat is the "Disposal inside 50 efficiency."
It should probably be read in conjunction with the number of times inside 50.
For example in the Adelaide game we had 53 'inside 50s'...Adelaide had 51.
But their "disposal efficiency inside 50" was 64.7%...ours was 39.6%
More inside 50s but much less efficient.
Here's our "disposal inside 50 efficiency" for each game this year.
Rnd 1 v Richmond -Draw-46.7%
Rnd 2 v Geelong -W- 56.3%
Rnd 3 v GWS W- 44.3% (GWS was only 37%)
Rnd 4 v North- W- 51.9%
Rnd 5 v Adelaide- L- 39.6%
Rnd 6 v St Kilda -L- 46.2%
Rnd 7 v WCE-W- 71.4%
Rnd 8 v Brisbane-L- 44.7%
Rnd 9 v Western Bulldogs-L-42%
Rnd 10 v Collingwood-L-43.1%
Rnd 11 v Sydney-L-37.3%
Rnd 12 v Melbourne-L-41%
Rnd 13 v Essendon-L- 50%
Rnd 14 v Suns-W-63.6%
Our season average is 48.6%...we were much better yesterday with 63.6%
But with only 4 more inside 50s...55-51
Suns inside 50 efficiency was 41.2%
I was at the game and only saw glimpses of stats they were showing throughout the game.
I kept thinking to myself that these are the same stats we see every week. Clearances close, DE% etc etc
Then i look at the scoreboard and see how straight we have kicked, and how poorly they have kicked and it goes back to what i said last week, we are not far away, kick accurately in front of goal and it makes the world of difference. Kick accurately going inside 50 and it makes the world of difference.
I think the addition of Cuningham, and 2nd week of Martin, made the world of difference with how we moved the ball...and how well we moved the ball. We were able to break through from contests and pinpoint a target. The results speak for themselves.
I be bringing in Fisher, to add to Cunners and Jack, and i think that gives us enough options that we can match it with any side.
Its all about team balance and we are finally starting to get it right.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - shawny - 06-19-2023
(06-19-2023, 01:32 AM)LP link Wrote:That's not fair on Pitto, he's fine when used to his strengths, but he is not a running type ruck. He needs to be in the push and shove and floating across CHB to take away opposition space.
Pit is a one trick pony. Effective as a second ruck but if TDK leaves and Pit is forced to spend longer minutes on the ground as the main ruckman he will be a liability much more than an asset IMO.
As a big man you still need to contribute and be important after the ruck contest and he is useless marking target or as a forward
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Gointocarlton - 06-19-2023
Coaches Votes (clean sweep)
Cez 9
Crippa 8
Doc 7
Walsh 4
Kemp 1
TDK 1
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - LP - 06-20-2023
Took advantage of the rain delay at Edgbaston to flick through the replay again, limited stats aside, the inclusion of Fogarty, Cincotta, Martin and Cunningham and the rising form of Boyd really made a huge difference. A lot more pressure on opposition ball carriers and a hotter environment around the ball, good 2nd efforts, and excluding Cunningham they mostly made reasonable use of the footy when they got hold of it. In fairness to Cunningham he made up for the poor disposal with repeat efforts.
I know people will criticise me for repeating this, but we've paid a price by continually carrying Motlop and Durdin while they are in the development phase, after getting an AFL taster that development should have been happening back in the VFL. I can't say the players who came in were any better in terms of ball use, but when we didn't have possession Fogarty, Cunningham and Cincotta give repeat efforts, there is no drop off or head drop.
To me it really shows something that Durdin and Motlop need to learn, that when you bring the repeat efforts you do not really need to have a lot of footy to influence the game.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - Blue Moon - 06-22-2023
I agree on Durdin and Motlop, they were both going to where the ball wasn't. Bit of VFL will do them both good. Martin was stationed a lot deeper which helped our forward structure.
Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Post Game Passion Carlton vs Gold Coast - crashlander - 06-22-2023
(06-22-2023, 01:48 AM)Blue Moon link Wrote:I agree on Durdin and Motlop, they were both going to where the ball wasn't. Bit of VFL will do them both good. Martin was stationed a lot deeper which helped our forward structure.Martin has one major advantage over Small Durds and Motlop; he needs to watched closely. It is because he can get where the ball is going. Not always about to do much about when it arrives; he is small and fragile, but he is a good field kick.