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Re: Weiters scammed - LP - 05-01-2023
(04-30-2023, 11:50 PM)madbluboy date Wrote:A guy I work with has an upcoming 100k tax bill he will have to pay for capital gains.I had a friend who was stitched up by his accountant, an accountant who turned out to be in partnership with the crooks handing out critical intelligence for a spotters fee.
He has already received a fake ATO invoice for it. How the hell does that happen?
You would have to think his accountant has been hacked but who knows?
There is very little you can do about this, because the accountant already has all the information they need to stitch you up, and if they turn bad you're stuffed.
Not saying that is the case for you friend, but it happens.
It also happens because anybody can be under the influence of crooks, because of debt, drug addiction, blackmail of all sorts of forms of influence and dependency. One that is more common than people realise is accountants or bureaucrats who have family in a foreign country who are threatened by organised crime.
Re: Weiters scammed - Thryleon - 05-01-2023
(04-30-2023, 12:54 PM)northernblue link Wrote:It depends on what you want to discuss with someone like the ATO.Thats a different discussion, and you are deflecting now. Moral of my story is that you can call up and verify information and not get too many delays which was the entire point.
If it’s a BAS/ABN/tech type enquiry you can usually talk to someone.
Try calling to reschedule a BAS payment… you can’t because it’s a totally automated system.
Try picking up the phone and even finding a number to call about immigration visas, good luck on that, let alone being answered.
Quote:As mentioned earlier, the banks red flags should have gone up given the types and frequency of the transactions, Weiters forked up but the bank failed him and others EVERY DAY.
The banks are there to put some security and structure around money management.
Should they do more is a seperate discussion, but IMHO they don't have to. This isn't on them really. They held the money and executed a transaction they were asked to by their customer.
This mentality of people need to be protected from themselves is my biggest issue with this. Why didn't someone stop me from transferring money out of my own account, to someone else? How is a bank to know that a person is not just conducting regular business, moving institutions, and ever proactively contacted someone from one of these entities? Its not fun.
Re: Weiters scammed - DJC - 05-01-2023
(05-01-2023, 05:23 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Thats a different discussion, and you are deflecting now. Moral of my story is that you can call up and verify information and not get too many delays which was the entire point.
I recently spoke to someone at the ATO and it only took two phone calls over two days. However, the ATO actively discourages telephone inquiries and pushes you to online correspondence. The ATO owes me $40 and it’s really not worth my time to pursue it. The same with my ABN, I don’t really need it and it wasn’t worth the effort to stop the process. The crux of the matter is that the ATO relied on an anonymous text message rather than a formal letter to my business address.
The scammers who ripped Weiters off timed it perfectly and used different forms of communication to simulate bank processes. It is a very common and quite successful scam and I heard a caller to the ABC describe how she was nearly snared by the same trap. She is an accountant but was taken in by official-looking correspondence and “verification” phone calls. When she realised that it was a scam and didn’t transfer funds, she copped an earful of abuse from the scammer ?
Re: Weiters scammed - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-01-2023
The Feds monitor all transactions over 10k...its mainly to cover money laundering, drug proceeds etc but everything goes across their computer screens. The banks do have procedures for this amount which makes me think Weitering was probably asked for amounts just under this figure which of course is a warning sign if you do your homework.
https://www.hsbc.com.au/content/dam/hsbc/au/docs/pdf/aba-fact-sheet.pdf
Re: Weiters scammed - Gointocarlton - 05-01-2023
(05-01-2023, 06:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:When she realised that it was a scam and didn’t transfer funds, she copped an earful of abuse from the scammer ?Copped an earful did she? At that point, I would give them my address and invite them to come meet my friends Pietro Beretta and John Moses Browning.
Re: Weiters scammed - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-01-2023
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewI-8l0ZCiY&list=PLEYoYKtM02GoT9Zjxzjb7ABCjqpVrnHju
Re: Weiters scammed - DJC - 05-01-2023
(05-01-2023, 06:14 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Copped an earful did she? At that point, I would give them my address and invite them to come meet my friends Pietro Beretta and John Moses Browning.
I had a scammer call me back to give me another serve. I remember my son was quite shocked when he heard me tell the fecker how he should get acquainted with a camel.
Re: Weiters scammed - madbluboy - 05-01-2023
(05-01-2023, 07:02 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewI-8l0ZCiY&list=PLEYoYKtM02GoT9Zjxzjb7ABCjqpVrnHju
The antihackers at one stage were putting some of these low life scammer's names, addresses, pictures etc on youtube but they were forced to take them down. Apparently they have rights.
Re: Weiters scammed - Thryleon - 05-01-2023
(05-01-2023, 06:08 AM)DJC link Wrote:I recently spoke to someone at the ATO and it only took two phone calls over two days. However, the ATO actively discourages telephone inquiries and pushes you to online correspondence. The ATO owes me $40 and it’s really not worth my time to pursue it. The same with my ABN, I don’t really need it and it wasn’t worth the effort to stop the process. The crux of the matter is that the ATO relied on an anonymous text message rather than a formal letter to my business address.
The scammers who ripped Weiters off timed it perfectly and used different forms of communication to simulate bank processes. It is a very common and quite successful scam and I heard a caller to the ABC describe how she was nearly snared by the same trap. She is an accountant but was taken in by official-looking correspondence and “verification” phone calls. When she realised that it was a scam and didn’t transfer funds, she copped an earful of abuse from the scammer ?
Djc that's not the point. You can call them 7 times in 7 days the point is if you called to fact check a hacker you would get a different experience and this is the appropriate action when you need to verify if you are being hacked.
Re: Weiters scammed - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-01-2023
(05-01-2023, 10:10 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:The antihackers at one stage were putting some of these low life scammer's names, addresses, pictures etc on youtube but they were forced to take them down. Apparently they have rights.Yep its sad you cant expose these scumbags directly but I guess Google who own Youtube dont want legal problems and want to cover their Ar$e. I believe the Payback Scammer crew report everything to the Feds in the USA who contact their opposite numbers in other countries ie India etc to deal with the scammers. Of Course Russian and Chinese scammers are a lot harder to bring to justice, I believe there is a Russian Payback scammer group who also put Video's on Youtube and try and expose Russian scammers.