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Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - LP - 05-06-2022
Turnbull is correct, he isn't being vindictive he is just telling the public how it is, and what he states is basically the reason why teal exists as the new blue!
Blue has been infiltrated by the hard right, Scomo and Perrottet pander to the new order fundamentalists, some on the opposing(red) side of politics will try to paint all the opposition as a new world order. Reality is factions on both sides, red or blue, have hijacked the parties. On the blue side this stems from weak leadership during the Abbott years, on the red side it's diffusion of policy with green agendas that has been going on for decades since Peter Garrett was a lad!
If blue moderate's like Turnbull fail to stand up and identify the rot, if they fail to single out the whiteants, in the ranks then their party will be forever lost!
An inherent weakness in Albanese's seems to be his unwillingness or inability to call out factions on his own side of politics. He is the embodiment of the weak creation of factional compromise. The Red side needs someone like Tunrbull to call out the whiteants on it's side of the ant hill!
The problem I have is this, modern media join in with the crowd to throw rocks rather than offer analysis and investigation, it's really lowest common denominator stuff, opinion rather than reporting. The people who are charged with guiding the public, the Fourth Estate, actually now incite the turmoil.
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - capcom - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 01:02 AM)LP link Wrote:Turnbull is correct, he isn't being vindictive he is just telling the public how it is
Perhaps you missed the embarrassing exposé on this ego driven "Team Turnbull" goose and subsequently losing 14 Coalition seats come the next election. He white anted anyone who stood against him. Useless diesel subs alone was a 90 million dollar waste. He got everything he deserved
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - Gointocarlton - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 01:32 AM)capcom link Wrote:Perhaps you missed the embarrassing exposé on this ego driven "Team Turnbull" goose and subsequently losing 14 Coalition seats come the next election. He white anted anyone who stood against him. Useless diesel subs alone was a 90 million dollar waste. He got everything he deservedA bigger F-wit in politics you will not meet. Oh wait, there is Albo
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - Thryleon - 05-06-2022
Hard right. Australia doesn't have a hard right political party. At best they are centrists, at worst lefties (and conservative at that).
We as a society are rather left in general, so even our more conservative parties seem hard right, but the reality is, that they are just right of general society and they are arguably more centrist in nature leaning right.
The tell is, that regardless of whom wins the election, our policies, method of government, freedoms, etc, don't vary wildly (aside from the Knights and Dames crap the Abbott Government came up with).
The One Nation and Clive Palmer types are the ones that present as more Hard Right, and even they arent that ridiculous.
It has been hijacked by the Greenies over the last 20 years to present Australia as having a Hard Right party and that is an easy win for the Labor party, but in reality during the pandemic, we have seen the biggest Draconian enforcement of rules and regulations I have personally witnessed in my 40 years on this earth.
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - LP - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 02:15 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:Hard right. Australia doesn't have a hard right political party. At best they are centrists, at worst lefties (and conservative at that).I think it's not wise to write off the right just because it hasn't a aggressive public face, they may not be overt but they share policies and ethos that are every bit as right leaning as any other, they just won't state it publicly because too much of what they truly believe is shared with the likes of Hanson or Christensen and is seen as political poison in the party that hosts them.
But they are one or two candidates / seats likes Deves from being chock full of confidence and then you will see them become more prominent!
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - Thryleon - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 03:04 AM)LP link Wrote:I think it's not wise to write off the right just because it hasn't a aggressive public face, they may not be overt but they share policies and ethos that are every bit as right leaning as any other, they just won't state it publicly because too much of what they truly believe is shared with the likes of Hanson or Christensen and is seen as political poison in the party that hosts them.Thats like calling the Lefties communist.
But they are one or two candidates / seats likes Deves from being chock full of confidence and then you will see them become more prominent!
We don't have that style of politics in Australia LP.
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - LP - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 02:15 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:but in reality during the pandemic, we have seen the biggest Draconian enforcement of rules and regulations I have personally witnessed in my 40 years on this earth.Not really, my global contacts do not reflect that at all, it is just presented in the media that way, as each week passes we see more and more examples of just how moderate our "brutal lockdown" actually was compared to other global locations. For example my UK contacts tell me they are paying a very high price for freedoms in the UK, as your brother may know!
So it's a bit of a grass is greener argument made by disgruntled locals, that "somewhere over there" has it better!
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - LP - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 03:06 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:We don't have that style of politics in Australia LP.Not with a public face, but it is there, hidden from view. If it's allowed to flourish our sons and daughters will share less liberty than us.
Our generation complaining about the brutality of leadership in things like the recent "harsh lockdowns" just plays directly into the hands of the extremists, they want you to believe you've been hard done by, it's the currency they deal in. But they are not for all Australians, as you well know!
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - ElwoodBlues1 - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 03:09 AM)LP link Wrote:Not really, my global contacts do not reflect that at all, it is just presented in the media that way, as each week passes we see more and more examples of just how moderate our "brutal lockdown" actually was compared to other global locations. For example my UK contacts tell me they are paying a very high price for freedoms in the UK, as your brother may know!I think the fact the Liberals advertising with the puppet Albo ads and linking him to Premier Andrews reinforces what Thry is suggesting.Andrews was a prime enforcer of Draconian laws and none too popular and the Libs want to exploit that unpopularity by linking him to Albo and painting the latter as a weak leader..
So it's a bit of a grass is greener argument made by disgruntled locals, that "somewhere over there" has it better!
Re: Election 2022 (Poll added) - LP - 05-06-2022
(05-06-2022, 03:54 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:I think the fact the Liberals advertising with the puppet Albo ads and linking him to Premier Andrews reinforces what Thry is suggesting.Andrews was a prime enforcer of Draconian laws and none too popular and the Libs want to exploit that unpopularity by linking him to Albo and painting the latter as a weak leader..Regardless of what locals think, the relative global view is the truth of the matter.
Claiming to be hard done by has become the countries national pastime, but God help these complaining people if China roll on south, then they will know what hard done by means on the global scale. Actually God won't help them either.
Life is so tough for them, let's see how Lydia Thorpe goes abusing Xi's security force!
A little global perspective wouldn't hurt some of these people, it might hopefully stop them complaining about how tough they have got it. They might collect a new definition of oppressed.