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Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 12:08 PM)northernblue link Wrote:I know you’re talking mid season draft, but we did take McDonald in the Pre season, who looked hand before getting injured.Obviously Mcdonald got injured and then we had zero left in the cupboard.
So they did address it, sort of… ?
You add we never replaced Kerr and you would have thought a taller KP type would be more handy as insurance than another small to mid type in Boyd. It's not hindsight as we knew what we had on the list and gambled Jones and Weitering wouldnt get injured..
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - Gointocarlton - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 11:40 AM)shawny link Wrote:The better teams would never have paid what we did for this bloke. And yet there are still those who want to give him more chances.Whilst I agree, we cant a-hole the guy just yet. He lopes around with not much intensity and it shits me to tears.
Cameo player and even then it’s when it matters little then goes missing for big chunks of games and rarely if ever influences the outcome. Sadly we are paying A grade rates on a bloke that is nothing more then a C grader at best.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - Gointocarlton - 07-10-2021
When Samo kicked the first and then marked another dead in front, I thought we could be on here. His miss then set the scene and they just kept missing sitters. Game over.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - ElwoodBlues1 - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 01:44 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Whilst I agree, we cant a-hole the guy just yet. He lopes around with not much intensity and it craps me to tears.Got plenty of talent and his best is A grade but can't play 4 quarters or play a full season.
Always taped up and looks like he is carrying injuries, very frustrating player.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - Gointocarlton - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 02:00 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Got plenty of talent and his best is A grade but can't play 4 quarters or play a full season.Then dont play him. He offered zero today.
Always taped up and looks like he is carrying injuries, very frustrating player.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - Macca37 - 07-10-2021
(07-10-2021, 01:08 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:Bad kicking is bad football.
Lack of composure lost us that one.
I lost count of the number of times we were in the box seat to score or create a scoring opportunity only to mis kick, fumble or choose the wrong option to the cats advantage and we were still half a chance.
Spot on, Thry. Every game we see that when opposition players with good foot skills get the ball they almost immediately make a positive decision about moving the ball to advantage.
On the other hand, so many Carlton players have a moment of indecision - will they kick the ball or look to handball because they don't have faith in their ability to hit a target. Consequently, sometimes under pressure, and sometimes not, we get bad handballs to team mates or a split second decision to kick the ball, usually ending in a turnover.
We are our own worst enemy.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - rocky - 07-10-2021
Personally, as infuriating as it is to play well against sides we can't beat I was more than happy with the output of the players on the park today.
1. Effort. Plenty of it. All day. 4 quarters
2. Undermanned. Undersized. Refused to roll over.
3. Went the corridor. Didn't work some times but stuck to the task.
4. A lot of blokes were playing against the odds with the opponents they were tasked with but gave it their all. So what more can you ask for.
The biggest disappointment for me was that we play this well against good sides and play like shite against teams we should spank. Let's see how we go next week with the filth.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - Lods - 07-10-2021
I mentioned before that when a team is playing well and are on top of the opposition fringe players can look better because the support is there to give them extra time to execute or cover their deficiencies.
When a team is facing a better class of opposition struggling players who aren't quite up to it are exposed because the support isn't there.
Team-mates are more concerned with their own responsibilities
It's why players can look a million dollars against an Adelaide but duds against a Geelong.
There are a group of players, though, who do the opposite.
When the support isn't there they just raise their own efforts and take their game to another level.
They're your elite.
Your A-graders
Your champions
Your Walsh and Weitering types.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - madbluboy - 07-10-2021
Effort was there, this was lost by the coaching staff. If we kicked accurately from our limited entries it would have masked what a poor game plan it was.
Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 17: Carlton vs Geelong - PaulP - 07-10-2021
https://www.afl.com.au/news/443427/im-embarrassed-says-roos
I link this for reference, from 2014 :
Despite kicking just three goals (from 19 scoring shots), Roos said he wished fixing the problem was as easy as changing the game plan.
"I wish it was that simple ... [if it was] I'd happily change [the game plan]. You are assessing yourself as a coach all the time, there is no question, but just the simple errors ... just incredible," Roos said.
"If you have got an inability to hit targets, it's really hard to implement a game plan because you just can't execute the most basic skills."
I think he's right. When you can't hit targets, you turn the ball over frequently, can't make tackles stick, keep kicking behinds, IMO game plan is almost irrelevant. Add to this the almighty Review, and you have a football department distracted from the task at hand by unnecessary decisions.