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Re: AFLW 2022 - kruddler - 02-13-2022
(02-13-2022, 11:22 AM)crashlander link Wrote:Crowds at Carlton are down considerably. By a factor of 8, based on Rd 1 crowds compared to the first season.Are you talking r1 this year vs r1 in year 1?
Hardly a fair comparison.
Fwiw, covid would be playing a huge factor in crowd numbers as well.
Re: AFLW 2022 - kruddler - 02-13-2022
....and the fact that you don't know when/where a game is being played 2 days before it's scheduled doesn't help either
Re: AFLW 2022 - shawny - 02-13-2022
(02-13-2022, 11:35 AM)kruddler link Wrote:....and the fact that you don't know when/where a game is being played 2 days before it's scheduled doesn't help either
If you look deep enough you can always find excuses.
The comp is a farce and 99% of fans know it just don’t want to say it.
Re: AFLW 2022 - kruddler - 02-13-2022
(02-13-2022, 11:39 AM)shawny link Wrote:If you look deep enough you can always find excuses.Nobody is saying it's perfect, far from it, but to imply it's not worth persisting with is more naive by comparison.
The comp is a farce and 99% of fans know it just don’t want to say it.
Re: AFLW 2022 - Lods - 02-13-2022
What we have at the moment is a bit of a skeleton that needs fleshing out....and maybe that shouldn't just result in the cloning of the men's competition.
AFLW is a competition that can win folks like me back but there is a bit of a process involved, and it may not happen in my lifetime.
You see....
The first, and to my mind one of the most important things, is to establish a bit of history.
You can't drop a navy jumper on a set of players and share a famous club name and expect that to immediately resonate with supporters.
I just don't feel that connection with the women's side.
That kind of bond and respect from supporters is something that has to be earned...and it's earned over years of highs and lows.
The club can contribute through stability, continuity and retention of players.
The players can contribute through improving their skills, sacrifice, success and loyalty.
They need to create their own history...and take the supporter along for the ride.
They have to show they care as much as the supporter.... and that it's not,, for them, just a part-time job.
The problem though, is that it will be basically a part time job, for a few years at least, because things like a professional approach and improved rates of pay are dependent on the interest and finances generated by the competition.
1000-2000 crowds wont cut it.
The AFL may prop it up for a while but they'll want to see some return for their outlay down the track.
The competition faces some other challenges.
The talent spread has been mentioned... and that is a biggie.
The attractiveness of the game is another factor. I haven't seen a lot of football this year but a standard I thought was improving last year doesn't seem to have kicked on.
Teams scoring one goal for the game aren't going to have fans rushing back in great numbers.
If it was our men's side they'd be crucified.
How to solve that...skills and fitness levels will improve eventually but some consideration should be given to not following blindly the rules of the male competition.
Create points of difference with the men's game.
Introduce rules and measures to increase the scoring.
As I mentioned things like draft and salary equity have to stay on the backburner until the competition reaches a level where it's possible for the game to support these options.
You can't be sending people from Victoria to Queensland or WA to live without adequate financial support.
Rivalries are in their infancy. These may develop over time but they're not, should not, be aligned to the rivalries of the men's teams. Let them develop of their own accord.
Some decisions have already been made with additional sides that may mean the competition needs to have a bit of a trough before re-establishing itself and kicking on.
From a Carlton point of view that means establishing a competitive successful side that supporters want to follow in its own right, not just because it shares a jumper and a name.
Re: AFLW 2022 - kruddler - 02-13-2022
It's chicken and egg lods.
Does the standard get better and that leads to better pay
Or
Does better pay lead to a better standard.
....and which should come first.
The girls are starting to make a bit of noise about pay. Not that they think they deserve more for playing AFLW, but because in order for it to take the next step, the girls need some kind of security. 1 year contracts is the norm, with 2 year contracts the maximum possible and rare by comparison. Those 1 year contracts are basically for 6 months, they other 6 they don't get paid.....BUT....they are still expected to be elite athletes.
The afl dropped the ball when they canned the season mid finals 2 years ago.
You had girls busting their gut all year, play 7 or 8 games and then the afl pulls up stumps and you get nothing out of it. Postpone first, cancel as last resort.
How can the girls take the next step with their commitment if the afl doesn't give them any?
Give them a proper season, give them an annual wage they can make work financially and the standard will magically improve....and it will grow the game where their salaries are covered, by the revenue aflw makes.
You hear the girls speak and their love for the game is never in doubt. They just want what's fair. The criticism they get and the demands that are asked of them are both completely out of whack with what they get paid.
Give them the money they want need and the rest will take care of itself.....including a truly national draft which evens out the competition like its supposed too.
Re: AFLW 2022 - northernblue - 02-13-2022
Can’t we just sack the coach ?
Re: AFLW 2022 - Thryleon - 02-13-2022
(02-13-2022, 11:32 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Regardless of the type of women that want to play such is a whole other kettle of fish, I think you are misunderstanding my comments.
The diluted talent is not about the number of teams exactly, it's the location of those teams and how the draft works.
Adelaide are the strongest team in the comp and have been since the comp started.
Adelaide have access to every girl in SA and NT. Their 'draft' is simply picking the best players from that group and no other team can pick those players.
Add up all the players who they have access too and compare that to the amount of players from Victoria.
Now you have 8 teams in Victoria (including Geelong) who have to pick from that list.
Unless there are 8x more girls in Vic, simple maths shows you Adelaide will get a more talented/better list.
It's been similar for freo and Brisbane up until the recent introduction of West Coast and Gold Coast.
The talent is not evenly distributed across the aflw because the draft is not a national draft. It's essentially a state draft.
It's not about the overall standard, it's about the distribution of talent and the one sidedness that has created.
I understood your point.
I think you might have missed the fact that I made a different one.
Still you might not have. The men's competition represents the top 700 men in the country irrespective of where they want to play their footy (plenty go home). The women's competition is the top 700 women in the country. Most of which are talented enough to earn a crust playing a different sport, and the pool those 700 come from is a much smaller pool, than the equivalent for males.
Thats my point. The competition is too big. The afl clubs have ruined the women's version because they all want to show how progressive they are.
Re: AFLW 2022 - kruddler - 02-13-2022
(02-13-2022, 07:23 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:I understood your point.It's not 700....it's currently 420 and it's not the best 420, it's the best....
I think you might have missed the fact that I made a different one.
Still you might not have. The men's competition represents the top 700 men in the country irrespective of where they want to play their footy (plenty go home). The women's competition is the top 700 women in the country. Most of which are talented enough to earn a crust playing a different sport, and the pool those 700 come from is a much smaller pool, than the equivalent for males.
Thats my point. The competition is too big. The afl clubs have ruined the women's version because they all want to show how progressive they are.
30 from Adelaide/Nt
30 from nsw
60 from qld
60 from wa
240 from Vic.
It's state of origin with Vic having 8bof the 14 rep sides and trying to compete with SA who has 1.
Men's comp you can get drafted to a different state.
Women's, you have to choose to go....and if you do....it's usually because it's the only way you'll get a game because you're not good enough to be picked in your own state.
I understand your point about overall participation by comparison, and I think that girs without saying since 6 years ago there wasn't even a path for players to get paid.
Re: AFLW 2022 - LP - 02-13-2022
I think fans can debate opportunity, experience and remuneration forever, the hard truth is if the girls try to emulate the men's game style and tactics they are doomed to be poorly evaluated, the AFLW needs to become something different, it's painfully obvious.
It doesn't matter if the sport is golf, basketball, soccer, surfing or AFL that is a fundamental reality.
I know what the players want, but it is also true that players do not always know what is best for them or the sport they play.
This doesn't mean I'm not an AFLW supporter, or I'm trying to talk the AFLW down, it is just a simple observable reality!