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Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - capcom - 06-03-2021
(06-03-2021, 12:10 PM)shawny link Wrote:They would be the weakest team in the comp based on who they are fielding this week - no excuses will save us if we lose this one.
Surely for once we can get an early lead and enjoy a comfortable win.
If we are even half the team we should be we will win this by 6 plus goals.
Nearly all in our favour we hope ...
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-03-2021
(06-03-2021, 08:55 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:These are exactly the types of games we lose. They have many outs, are away from their fortress, coming of a loss. But, they are above us on the ladder which we seem to be able to turn into the biggest obstacle of all.This is one we should win and win well, they have key players out everywhere and kids that most of us wouldnt even have seen before. Midfield is still decent but both their back line and forward line are missing key players, Harry to kick a bundle and Walsh BOG. I agree we are so unreliable you are never sure but this is a very important game for the coach and if the players want him coaching next year then they need to win this game.
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - Rick - 06-03-2021
With all those eagles players out we will still bloody well loose
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - laj - 06-04-2021
Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.
Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.
Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 06-04-2021
(06-04-2021, 01:28 AM)laj date Wrote:Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.Makes a big difference having General or dozen out there, not a sheep to be seen!
Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates.
People focus on the stars, but for me Brad Pearce was the guy who made the most that season, I think he had 7 shots in the GF, not bad as a medium forward. Mind you Williams had 8, but we are talking a different class of player there.
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - laj - 06-04-2021
(06-04-2021, 01:35 AM)LP link Wrote:Makes a big difference having General or dozen out there, not a sheep to be seen!
Certainly does.
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 06-04-2021
(06-04-2021, 01:28 AM)laj link Wrote:Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.Correction, there was nothing individual about that team, they were a Champion Team as well as a Team of Champions. Coached themselves virtually (Parkin's words not mine), I doubt I will ever see a Carlton side like that again in my lifetime.
Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.
Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 06-04-2021
(06-04-2021, 01:45 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Coached themselves virtually (Parkin's words not mine),This is the key difference between our current team and Nthmond's, and our current club culture and Nthmond's.
I suppose it's easy to identify and hard to replicate, but it's clearly been our problem for Carlton for some time now, and I think it's a big part of why we never have massive wins.
You can be as keen as mustard, but if your solution to the problem is to sprint to the coach at 1/4-time and ask "How do we fix it boss?" your team is going nowhere. Nthmond see a momentum swing 5mins into the Qtr, and 30s later guys like Cotchin, Dusty, Grimes, Riewoldt and Rance are doing something about it! Dimma gets some credit for this, he saw a bunch of fathead assistants getting in the way of the good footballers he had on the list and gave the assistants the ar5e!
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 06-04-2021
(06-04-2021, 01:48 AM)LP link Wrote:This is the key difference between our current team and Nthmond's, and our current club culture and Nthmond's.Let the cobblers cobble huh? Also interesting is how far the input from players at Rich has spread. I hear that lesser likes such as Castagna and Edwards have great footy brains and make alot of calls/changes on field. Again, credit to Dimma for instilling this liberty on them. I do see Cripps attempting to direct traffic and call plays at bounces and stoppages. I see SOS And Eddie doing it abit in the fwd line, but thats about it. Most of our blokes are like hatchlings in a nest looking up beak open waiting for a feed.
I suppose it's easy to identify and hard to replicate, but it's clearly been our problem for Carlton for some time now, and I think it's a big part of why we never have massive wins.
You can be as keen as mustard, but if your solution to the problem is to sprint to the coach at 1/4-time and ask "How do we fix it boss?" your team is going nowhere. Nthmond see a momentum swing 5mins into the Qtr, and 30s later guys like Cotchin, Dusty, Grimes, Riewoldt and Rance are doing something about it! Dimma gets some credit for this, he saw a bunch of fathead assistants getting in the way of the good footballers he had on the list and gave the assistants the ar5e!
Re: Pre game perturbations: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - tonyo - 06-04-2021
(06-04-2021, 01:28 AM)laj link Wrote:Let's hope we can bring the pressure tomorrow.I remember that game well, I was standing behind the goals at the Lygon St end - even more interesting, it came immediately after our two worst games for the season (the only 2 we lost). They fronted up against Hawthorn and absolutely steamrolled them, 15 more wins after that including the flag.
Just watched a game against Hawthorn in 1995. Comparing it to now, in every aspect, was like comparing chalk and cheese. So well drilled and understood every move of their teammates. Never seen pressure, hardness, skill like it and still don't see it in the current era from any side. Forgot what it was like. Hawthorn were physically and mentally shattered mess by the last qtr. I've never been big on ruck stuff but watching Madden I forgot what the craft was like. Won near every tap, tapped with authority, knew where he was tapping, and the Carlton mids, knew where it was coming, read it so well and jumped on it like a seagull on a hot chip. His tap work made Nic Nat to his mids look like an amateur. There was barely one out of the centre didn't go to advantage. Must've been 90% to advantage out of the centre.
Where did it all go? Admittedly that was one of the great individual sides of all time but still, we are the opposite that side in every respect. It's a reminder of what we need to bring if we are ever going to rise right up the ladder again.
Sometimes, a line in the sand game can snowball into a run of top performances (crosses fingers for Sunday and beyond...)