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Re: The Defence - Thryleon - 06-01-2021
Forgive me for going over old territory, but the first example of out bolton in teague change was playing Charlie closer to goals rather than half forward wasnt it?
At the time it was mooted that Bolts was having a hard time relinquishing the reigns. We recently had a micro manager take over at work with interesting results. The same team being looked at pretty hard, yet nothing happening about it...
Re: The Defence - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-01-2021
Bolton was a poor match day tactician and did he his best work 9-5 during the week at training.
Teague is also struggling on match day, our assistants have been next to useless as well.
We dont have a definitive gamestyle and also struggle with team selection and reading what the opposition are going to do.
Its a real worry when teams beat you with the same plans/same players year in year out and we keep pulling the wrong levers in the coaching box. Its even deja vu in the coaching box...nothing worse than that camera shot of Teague like Bolton looking helpless and paralysed unable to think and Barker clueless next to him.
Re: The Defence - LP - 06-01-2021
(06-01-2021, 12:37 PM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Bolton was a poor match day tactician and did he his best work 9-5 during the week at training.I think we(Carlton) suffer from a lack of understanding about modern football, the appointment of Malthouse fairly confirmed that for me, we thought one geriatric could out coach a panel of experienced opposition.
Teague is also struggling on match day, our assistants have been next to useless as well.
We dont have a definitive gamestyle and also struggle with team selection and reading what the opposition are going to do.
Its a real worry when teams beat you with the same plans/same players year in year out and we keep pulling the wrong levers in the coaching box. Its even deja vu in the coaching box...nothing worse than that camera shot of Teague like Bolton looking helpless and paralysed unable to think and Barker clueless next to him.
Modern AFL match days needs a panel of high performers, coaching very well, to have success. One weak link and you are doomed, and we've too many B-Graders in supplementary roles. It's no good guys like Barker solving the problem three days after the game!
But it's a problem that is rife in the AFL, they ones that stick around are often megalomaniacs who think they know best, and if you have an executive that spends all day sniffing armpits instead of cutting the weeds you are stuffed!
Re: The Defence - Gointocarlton - 06-01-2021
(06-01-2021, 10:11 PM)LP link Wrote:I think we(Carlton) suffer from a lack of understanding about modern football, the appointment of Malthouse fairly confirmed that for me, we thought one geriatric could out coach a panel of experienced opposition.Like how Chris Fagan is doing at 59?
Modern AFL match days needs a panel of high performers, coaching very well, to have success. One weak link and you are doomed, and we've too many B-Graders in supplementary roles. It's no good guys like Barker solving the problem three days after the game!
But it's a problem that is rife in the AFL, they ones that stick around are often megalomaniacs who think they know best, and if you have an executive that spends all day sniffing armpits instead of cutting the weeds you are stuffed!
Re: The Defence - Thryleon - 06-01-2021
(06-01-2021, 10:36 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Like how Chris Fagan is doing at 59?
59 and 73 are quite different.
The men themselves are likely different too.
I still maintain that any coach coaching any way can be successful but our footy club likes to get involved and get in the way of allowing them to do their job the way they want to.
I wonder if we had our time over again if Murphy would have been made captain.
That still may prove to be the right decision based on how we go.
A telling stat, we no longer bleed talent. Something is happening better than it used to although we are about to he tested there again.
Re: The Defence - Gointocarlton - 06-01-2021
(06-01-2021, 11:10 PM)Thryleon link Wrote:59 and 73 are quite different.Who's 73?
The men themselves are likely different too.
I still maintain that any coach coaching any way can be successful but our footy club likes to get involved and get in the way of allowing them to do their job the way they want to.
I wonder if we had our time over again if Murphy would have been made captain.
That still may prove to be the right decision based on how we go.
A telling stat, we no longer bleed talent. Something is happening better than it used to although we are about to he tested there again.
Re: The Defence - Thryleon - 06-01-2021
(06-01-2021, 11:48 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Who's 73?|Sorry I wrote it wrong and I actually thought Mick was a bit older when we sacked him.
Still, the underlying point is no different that the men are different people.
Re: The Defence - LP - 06-02-2021
(06-01-2021, 10:36 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Like how Chris Fagan is doing at 59?With a team of skilled and experienced assistants, not as an autocrat or in an autocratic manner! Fagan barely interacts with the coaches and players during a quarter, he allows his charges to get on with their job!
Def; autocratic (/ɔːtəˈkratɪk/)
adjective
- relating to a ruler who has absolute power.
"the constitutional reforms threatened his autocratic power"
- taking no account of other people's wishes or opinions; domineering.
"a man with a reputation for an autocratic management style"
Assuming criticisms of Malthouse are ageist, is like assuming criticisms of Hanna Mouncey are mysogynist!
Malthouses problem was his inability to adapt to the changing coaching landscape, perhaps that in itself is a sign father time had passed him by, but if he had been able to adopt a collaborative style and let go the reigns he'd probably still be coaching. But he didn't, in the same way Bolton failed and Ratten before him, they wanted absolute power and choked on it!
I suspect, and have for some time, that our continually failing senior coaches are not solely responsible for their fate, the club seems to be failing to recognise that and the long term tenure of some individuals at the club through this period seems to confirm it. There are very few commonalities left!
Re: The Defence - capcom - 06-02-2021
Reckon you'd find bugger all difference in outlook between most people aged 59 to 73 anyway.
Re: The Defence - PaulP - 06-02-2021
Autocrat or not, Malthouse suddenly became hopeless only when and because he came to us, just like all the others. 12 months prior, his W/L was excellent and % was the highest of any coach since 2000, and still not bettered. I don't see how in 12 months you can go from hero to zero, except when you realise he finally met his match, the Carlton Coach Killer Club.
The fact that there are people on here, in the general public, and in the media, that are already sharpening their knives for Teague, should tell you everything you need to know.