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Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - shawny - 03-19-2020
Has there ever been a group talked up as much as these Fisher, Setterfield, Dow and Cunningham and yet deliver SFA.
Dow: Does a shimmy or side step once a game and we all get excited. Reality is he looks so slow without the ball because he is lazy and doesn't work hard enough. Has terrible foot skills and no idea how to even drop the ball onto his boot correctly when taking a shot at goal. Big miss as a top 3 pick and another average season and I will put a line though him. Its now or never for Dow to improve and what I saw last night there is no reason to be too optimistic.
Setterfield: Cant see it with this guy. Apart from his height does little to show me what all the hype was about. Willing to give him more time but not convinced he will ever be more then a C grader.
Fisher: Had massive hope for this bloke yet is another one that is lucky to touch it 10 times a match. Clean user but too small to ever make it as a top line mid. Have grave doubts on him and plays like he wants to go home.
Cunningham: Still think he has the most X factor and probably the best goal sneak but a pick 20 and 5 years in just doesn't impact enough and another one that glides around like there is no urgency. Wont amount to any more then a burst player at best.
Not much to get excited about when you take off the blue glasses and be honest about our midfield depth.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-19-2020
(03-19-2020, 10:52 PM)LP link Wrote:A lack of confidence doesn't make you jog behind your opponent when you're probably equally fast if not faster, this guy chases at half rat pace, get rid of him, send the list a message!There were many instances of our blokes not going 100% to chase an opponent, cut off a kick, get to a contest, get to a ball dropping short. Richmond on the other hand are feral in this regard. That and clean disposal is the difference.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-19-2020
(03-19-2020, 11:27 PM)shawny link Wrote:Has there ever been a group talked up as much as these Fisher, Setterfield, Dow and Cunningham and yet deliver SFA.Fisher is one who has gone backwards after his first year. Doesnt deserve a spot in the 1s. Ditto Dow. Setterfield is just plain soft. Cunningham has played his one in a row, he will either pull up sore, get injured at training this week or get injured next week and that will be it for the year.
Dow: Does a shimmy or side step once a game and we all get excited. Reality is he looks so slow without the ball because he is lazy and doesn't work hard enough. Has terrible foot skills and no idea how to even drop the ball onto his boot correctly when taking a shot at goal. Big miss as a top 3 pick and another average season and I will put a line though him. Its now or never for Dow to improve and what I saw last night there is no reason to be too optimistic.
Setterfield: Cant see it with this guy. Apart from his height does little to show me what all the hype was about. Willing to give him more time but not convinced he will ever be more then a C grader.
Fisher: Had massive hope for this bloke yet is another one that is lucky to touch it 10 times a match. Clean user but too small to ever make it as a top line mid. Have grave doubts on him and plays like he wants to go home.
Cunningham: Still think he has the most X factor and probably the best goal sneak but a pick 20 and 5 years in just doesn't impact enough and another one that glides around like there is no urgency. Wont amount to any more then a burst player at best.
Not much to get excited about when you take off the blue glasses and be honest about our midfield depth.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - Professer E - 03-19-2020
Mirrors my thoughts 100 percent.
Fisher hasn't been the same since that hound broke his leg but is just too small.
Stocker needs to be at least good as he is believed to be, at least he is the right size, good in traffic and a superb kick. At least he looks the right starting material.
Difference between say SPS and Dow is that the former plays a 360 game, Dow seems to only try to burst through one way and invariably gets caught. All our better players - Cripps, SPS etc are evasive and cool in traffic. You either have it or you don't. So why draft Kemp, a big bodied straight running utility who lacks agility?
The sad thing is that i genuinely believe we finally have some blokes good enough to play in a finals type side, we just don't have enough of them. It's the dud half of the side (and list) that are just killing us.
For starters, a Brad Hill type player would make us a four-six goal better side, our delivery into the front half is awful. Long bombs onto Gibbons' head...cant see that working going forwards.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-20-2020
Proff the thing that stood out in the first qtr was Richmonds delivery into the F50 compared to ours. They kick it hard and low to a player in space. Ours was (and has been for a while) shambolic, bombs as you say, errant/missed kicks, terrible options etc etc. As I stated of the praccy matches, we demonstrated zero that we have fixed/improved disposal and decision making. With some of our players, I dont think it can be fixed/coached out.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - LP - 03-20-2020
(03-19-2020, 09:37 PM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Thats right, blame the umps and the other mob for our ineptness with the basics of the game.It's not the umps fault, it's the AFL's fault.
The AFL allows the disparity to persist.
If / when we make comments like Dimma, Balme, McGuire, Buckley, Worsfold, Longmire, Clarkson, Dangerfield, Kennett, etc., etc., make comments about umpires and rules, we get reprimanded or fined!
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - kruddler - 03-20-2020
Just a reminder, that was setterfields 21st game. He played 18 with us last year coming off an ACL. (2 with GWS).
Cunningham has played 26 games.
Dow played his 42nd
SPS has played 65
Jack Silvagni 61
An extra year or 2 into the top group and we will see performances like the 2nd group
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - flyboy77 - 03-20-2020
(03-19-2020, 11:47 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:There were many instances of our blokes not going 100% to chase an opponent, cut off a kick, get to a contest, get to a ball dropping short. Richmond on the other hand are feral in this regard. That and clean disposal is the difference.
This is something Teague needs to address - can't blame the back line when the mids don't work defensively.
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - LP - 03-20-2020
(03-20-2020, 12:18 AM)flyboy77 date Wrote:This is something Teague needs to address - can't blame the back line when the mids don't work defensively.To think that Liddle might have SoJ in the gun, last night SoJ was one of a handful that actually gave 100%!
On the mids, people on here slammed me last season when I said Ed and sMurph were having a go at Cripps for not working hard enough defensively. Have a look at the heat maps last night, and see if you can still justify that position! While I agree that Cripps is elite, it's also clear opponents know he won't chase, just like they knew Judd wouldn't chase!
We've a huge problem, ours kids just aren't stepping up, if anything they look to be going backwards. Even last night after what is supposedly the best pre-season in years it was the old blokes doing most of the grunt work. When Dow, Walsh, Fisher, etc., etc., don't chase, where does that message come from?
Perhaps this has nothing to do with coaches or recruiting, perhaps it's a club culture problem. Maybe that's why we've signed Betts, which makes the rumors/allegations that SoJ might be in the gun even more bizarre!
Re: AFL Rd 1 2020: Post Game Post Mortum: Carlton vs. Richmond - Gointocarlton - 03-20-2020
(03-20-2020, 12:11 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Just a reminder, that was setterfields 21st game. He played 18 with us last year coming off an ACL. (2 with GWS).Excuses excuses, well Ive had enough. The difference btw Setterfield and Jack is that from day one, you could tell Jack would make it. He is feral when the ball or man is near and plays for the jumper. He is a SIlvagni after all. Setterfield lopes around, looking like he couldnt give fark. He looks like one of those guys who thinks he's made it just because he is selected.
Cunningham has played 26 games.
Dow played his 42nd
SPS has played 65
Jack Silvagni 61
An extra year or 2 into the top group and we will see performances like the 2nd group