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Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Tragic - 06-13-2019
(06-13-2019, 09:56 AM)Lods link Wrote:Jack's unlucky to be dropped
But it may be the emphasis is now on giving us the best possible side to win the game and development will take a back seat for a while.
In a discussion between which player can give us the most.....
If you're picking on effort and attitude Jack gets it every time.
Murphy gives us more in other areas, possessions, territory gained
https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_player_compare?playerStatus1=A&tid1=4&playerStatus2=A&tid2=4&type=A&pid1=1607&pid2=4144&fid1=S&fid2=S
Now we can argue their relative merits until we're blue in the face but the match committee have made a decision and they'll wear the consequences.
So far their record is outstanding ;D
I suspect there's a different dynamic at play now...wins will take precedence over development for the rest of the year.
Teams will be selected on who they regard as the best available.
Forget the emergencies...they're probably unlikely to play.
Ben Silvagni is a token gesture
(Edit: If it is a typo that makes sense and they'll both probably play)
fair enough call. it's about time in my book that the match committee focused on winning the game in front of us rather than future games. if their plans have murph's inclusion giving us a greater chance of winning this week, then i'm all for it. it's a good sign that we're upgrading a good performer rather than dumping a complete hack. jack will get another go when his form and team balance demand it.
i like Jack's endeavor for sure - and if he can tidy up a few parts of his game i think he'll be a valuable role player for the side. he just needs to stick a few more marks, and kick at goal a fair bit better for the type of role he plays, coz he ain't a zippy goal sneak. a run in the 2's won't hurt him where hopefully he'll get more opportunity to practice those skills more often and against lesser opponents. Build up his strength and confidence. he's a fringe player until he can really nail something. fyi - i really like the way he has a crack and hope he does become a regular on his merit.
murph - i get both sides of the story. certainly doesn't show the same willingness as Jack, but there's all types of willingness, and he has his moments where he wills himself to do something special. i think the short answer is that murph gives us more run around the ground, and he does have more score involvements than Jack, and he's not even a forward. he's been a very good player for us in the past, and i think he's still a pretty good player. he knows that pressure will start coming from below, which i hope fires him up to finish his career with some good games and some wins.
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - madbluboy - 06-13-2019
(06-13-2019, 10:19 AM)PaulP link Wrote:The reason why Teague selected him is because he wants him in the team
The reason why Bolton used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Barker used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Malthouse used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Ratten used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
The reason why Pagan used to select him is because he wanted him in the team
There's no conspiracy, there's no mystery. There's no head scratching required.
All failed and sacked.
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - PaulP - 06-13-2019
(06-13-2019, 10:33 AM)madbluboy link Wrote:All failed and sacked.
Yes, but not because they kept selecting Murphy.
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - crashlander - 06-13-2019
(06-13-2019, 08:34 AM)Jack Burton link Wrote:Agree re Jack, very stiff. From what I saw he deserved to keep his spotI agree. He is the pressure man in our front half and he isn't far away.
CARLTON
B: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas
C: Will Setterfield, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: David Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Levi Casboult
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Zac Fisher
Int: Michael Gibbons, Lochie O'Brien, Paddy Dow, Nic Newman
EMG: Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Lobbe
IN: Marc Murphy
OUT: Jack Silvagni (Omitted)
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Trengove, Bailey Williams
HB: Caleb Daniel, Zaine Cordy, Easton Wood
C: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Patrick Lipinski
HF: Matthew Suckling, Ryan Gardner, Sam Lloyd
F: Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
R: Tim English, Josh Dunkley, Jack Macrae
Int: Bailey Smith, Hayden Crozier, Toby McLean, Bailey Dale
EMG Rhylee West, Fletcher Roberts, Callum Porter, Lachie Young
IN: Tory Dickson, Hayden Crozier
OUT: Billy Gowers (Injured), Lachie Young (Omitted
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-13-2019
(06-13-2019, 11:17 AM)crashlander link Wrote:I agree. He is the pressure man in our front half and he isn't far away.
CARLTON
B: Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank, Sam Petrevski-Seton
HB: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Dale Thomas
C: Will Setterfield, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
HF: David Cuningham, Charlie Curnow, Ed Curnow
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Levi Casboult
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Zac Fisher
Int: Michael Gibbons, Lochie O'Brien, Paddy Dow, Nic Newman
EMG: Cameron Polson, Jack Silvagni, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Lobbe
IN: Marc Murphy
OUT: Jack Silvagni (Omitted)
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B: Jason Johannisen, Jackson Trengove, Bailey Williams
HB: Caleb Daniel, Zaine Cordy, Easton Wood
C: Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Patrick Lipinski
HF: Matthew Suckling, Ryan Gardner, Sam Lloyd
F: Marcus Bontempelli, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
R: Tim English, Josh Dunkley, Jack Macrae
Int: Bailey Smith, Hayden Crozier, Toby McLean, Bailey Dale
EMG Rhylee West, Fletcher Roberts, Callum Porter, Lachie Young
IN: Tory Dickson, Hayden Crozier
OUT: Billy Gowers (Injured), Lachie Young (Omitted
Bulldogs team is much better than last time, they have more size with Trengove, Gardiner and a much more dangerous look IMO...dont agree with Jack being dropped either.
This will be a tough game as the Dogs have about the best team they can field on the park this week...
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - LoveNavy - 06-13-2019
(06-13-2019, 10:17 AM)kruddler link Wrote:That's where i got my teams from before.
I even triple checked the emergencies and it clearly had #37 Ben Silvagni
Someone obviously screwed something up there and has fixed the error.
Happens a lot.... very professional reporting ????
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - townsendcalling - 06-13-2019
We need pace against the Bulldogs. Mark Murphy vs Jack Silvagni, compare the pair. We are now in a position to pick a side based on the opposition and our needs rather than who’s available.
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - flyboy77 - 06-13-2019
(06-13-2019, 11:32 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Bulldogs team is much better than last time, they have more size with Trengove, Gardiner and a much more dangerous look IMO...dont agree with Jack being dropped either.
This will be a tough game as the Dogs have about the best team they can field on the park this week...
Not much in it really EB. Trengrove? Meh. Gardiner is from their VFL team - the mid season draft?
This was the WB team in round 5:
WESTERN BULLDOGS
B Bailey Williams, Zaine Cordy, Hayden Crozier
HB Caleb Daniel, Easton Wood, Lachie Young
C Lachie Hunter, Tom Liberatore, Jason Johannisen
HF Will Hayes, Josh Dunkley, Sam Lloyd
F Toby McLean, Aaron Naughton, Tory Dickson
FOL Tim English, Marcus Bontempelli, Jack Macrae
I/C Mitch Wallis, Bailey Smith, Ed Richards, Billy Gowers
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Professer E - 06-13-2019
Murphy would want to hit the ground running.
Re: Pre-Game Thread: AFL 2019 Rd 13: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs - Lods - 06-14-2019
Horses for courses....
Murphy was in our best when we played and beat them earlier in the year.
He picked up 28 possessions.
His inclusion really isn't the issue, it's more who drops out to make way.