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Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - blue4life - 08-27-2017
(08-27-2017, 02:01 AM)PaulP link Wrote:sbf, as always, you make some fair points. I reckon one possible reason for the coaching group looking miserable is that they got a reality check for how much work still needs to be done to be a genuine challenger, which then means more green shoot propaganda, more of a hard sell to fans etc., not to mention the actual real work of drafting, trading developing etc., and making sure it's all done right.
wrt to a PP, if I was the AFL, I would not be looking at the MM years at all. That IMO is in the past. I would tell the club :
- you have 5 RS nominations this year, one last year, one of whom is playing CHF and looks a chance to be the best player in the comp
- you have plenty of high draft picks, through draft and trades.
- you have a stated policy of playing youth, which makes it harder to win games
- you have been competitive most of the season, including being ahead in the 4th in 7 games, and including knocking over GWS and the Swans, and if you want to gild the lily, the Hawks as well.
In conclusion :
NO PP FOR YOU !!
Impossible to argue with any of that.
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - sydneybluesfan - 08-27-2017
Daniher and Brown both took until their 3rd year before they became strong consistent performers, and have really started to excel in their 4th years.
So assuming McKay can become as good as them, it won't be until 2020 season that he will be a force - that's still a long wait given the last 4 years of mediocrity.
The reasons why we [or Bris / GC] are where we are pretty is much irrelevant in regards to a PP for mine - it's simply that the draft should be used to help the comp equalise. It is also far from a panacea - 1 extra pick isn't really going to do much and is no guarantee that we will use it well anyway!!
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - PaulP - 08-27-2017
(08-27-2017, 02:12 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:Daniher and Brown both took until their 3rd year before they became strong consistent performers, and have really started to excel in their 4th years.
So assuming McKay can become as good as them, it won't be until 2020 season that he will be a force - that's still a long wait given the last 4 years of mediocrity.
The reasons why we [or Bris / GC] are where we are pretty is much irrelevant in regards to a PP for mine - it's simply that the draft should be used to help the comp equalise. It is also far from a panacea - 1 extra pick isn't really going to do much and is no guarantee that we will use it well anyway!!
Perhaps, but i was role playing. I very much doubt the AFL will see it that way.
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - laj - 08-27-2017
Alot of crap and dribble being spoken here. Only the basis of our second half too many dills think the world has caved in. The fact is the season has been good, we haven't been bad the last few weeks given we have been down on personal, we made life horribly tough for good sides, led 7 times in last qtrs and lost, had a great win last week. For a side of kids we have done a good job.
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-27-2017
(08-27-2017, 02:35 AM)laj link Wrote:Alot of crap and dribble being spoken here. Only the basis of our second half too many dills think the world has caved in. The fact is the season has been good, we haven't been bad the last few weeks given we have been down on personal, we made life horribly tough for good sides, led 7 times in last qtrs and lost, had a great win last week. For a side of kids we have done a good job.
Still in rebuild mode....plenty of renovating work to be done yet, have a better idea at the end of 2018 where we are going....your kids need to get to 50 games before you can really assess any value or lack of....
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - LP - 08-27-2017
(08-27-2017, 02:37 AM)blue4life link Wrote:Curnow and Silvagni will be third year next year so we'd hardly be throwing kids to the wolves, McKay will be third year as well and even though he's only played a couple of games he won't have a kid's body in 2018.
Charlie Curnow is almost too good to be stuck in the F50 jumping at the ball, he could become the next Franklin. I'd like to see him is a Fraser Gehrig style role on the wing.
Nobody is going to want to run with Curnow then be forced to compete one on one when he floats forward within goal range. Then when he hits his prime, he'll be freaking impossible to match up on.
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - laj - 08-27-2017
(08-27-2017, 02:44 AM)LP link Wrote:We agree again, what the feck is going on! :o
Levi could have stayed in Melb and helped the NBs smash Box Hill!
Hahaha, yes!
Good point actually, never though of that. Collingwood lost yesterday so we only need to win to play finals. Not as if yesterday in Sydney meant too much.
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - Wet Willie - 08-27-2017
Let's jump back a year ago:
30% of the current team had played just half a dozen games
30% of the current team were under 21 - basically teenagers
30% of the current team had never met or played with each other
30% of the current team had never played against fully grown men with 10 years elite AFL experience
30% of the current team had never actually played against teams like Hawthorn
Last night they played against an experienced elite team playing for a top 4 spot, a percentage gain, with the best midfield and Buddy Franklin in full flight.
We might have finished 2nd last on the ladder - but we are not the 2nd worst team in the league.
We don't have the 2nd worst future compared to other playing lists...
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - Lods - 08-27-2017
Liam Jones 1% watch
Liam had a tough night at the office. He received a bit of a football lesson from one of the great forwards. Unfortunately with Plowman, Marchbank, Silvagni and Rowe all unavailable it was a job he had to do with little assistance and little option for a switch. At the best he'll have learned a few things to work on and be ready for the next contest.
Given he was a bit preoccupied with his opponent he would probably be a bit down in his 1%'s this week
But No!
15 for the game...the next best was Melican from the Swans with 8...the next best Carlton player was Williamson with 4
At the end of the regular season Jones leads AFL for 1%'s per game with an average of 11.
Quote:1 Liam Jones CARL 11
2 Alex Rance RICH 9.5
3 Michael Hartley ESS 9.4
4 Daniel Talia ADEL 9.3
A minor stat no doubt....but we won something
We also won this
Quote:Kicks
1 Sam Docherty 460
2 Dustin Martin 434
3 Dylan Roberton 385
4 Kade Simpson 377
5 Andrew Gaff 371
6 Zach Merrett 370
7 Bryce Gibbs 362
7 Bradley Hill 362
9 Marc Murphy 360
10 Heath Shaw 345
..and this ???
Kicks
Quote:Carlton 4965
Collingwood 4898
Essendon 4854
Do we kick too much :-\
Re: Rd 23: Post Game Party: Carlton vs Sydney - Micky0 - 08-27-2017
Ha good to get some positivity from anywhere possible!