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Re: Goaltracker - flyboy77 - 05-25-2017
(05-25-2017, 10:40 AM)kruddler link Wrote:We have a former AFLCA MVP winner in Murphy. He goes ok.
Gibbs, for all the flack he gets, is still an a-grade mid, not A+, but A.
Cripps is breaking all the records for clearances and contested possessions for games played and if he isn't there now, will certainly be an elite mid soon enough.
Kreuzer would be amongst the top 6 in terms of ruck output this season.
There is your starting midfield. Not too much to complain about there.
From there it does drop away, E. Curnow, Graham...etc
However, our forwardline....
Is anyone there considered elite? No.
Is anyone there considered a-grade? No.
Is anyone there considered b-grade? Questionable. Plenty of potential...but nothing guaranteed.
....before anyone says Weitering, he is a gun player, but is not a gun forward by any stretch of the imagination.
In short, our forwardline needs more attention than the midfield.
in your opinion. And your logic in rating individual players simply doesn't stack up - sorry.
And, if I may remind you, when we get belted, our midfield is non existent.
If you can't see the problem is more the speed and manner of delivery into F50, rather than recipients of said delivery, well not much more to say really.
Neither Betts nor Jenkins nor Walker would boost our scoring when the ball was jerked around laterally and backwards as it was for 3 quarters like it was against the Shockers....
But dream on by all means...
Re: Goaltracker - kruddler - 05-25-2017
(05-25-2017, 11:03 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:in your opinion. And your logic in rating individual players simply doesn't stack up - sorry.
And, if I may remind you, when we get belted, our midfield is non existent.
If you can't see the problem is more the speed and manner of delivery into F50, rather than recipients of said delivery, well not much more to say really.
Neither Betts nor Jenkins nor Walker would boost our scoring when the ball was jerked around laterally and backwards as it was for 3 quarters like it was against the Shockers....
But dream on by all means...
Firstly, weren't you the one who said we'd be playing finals this year and told me how good our forwardline was in the preseason? Told me 'I was dreaming' for not being able to see how much we'd improve and that i had lost touch with reality if i thought we'd struggle to kick goals like we did last season. *checks the 'goaltracker' thread* Oops. :-[
Secondly...
So i'm overrating our midfield? Cripps, Murphy and Gibbs are not 'A-grade -> Elite' mids?
So Adelaides midfield is superior to ours, which allows Betts, Jenkins and Walker to dominate yeah?
So remind me why Adelaide was chasing Gibbs to IMPROVE their midfield?!
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Re: Goaltracker - flyboy77 - 05-25-2017
feel free to dig out my quotes re making the 8.
Adelaide's midfield is very much better than ours (as a cohesive unit and including their ruck) AND they move the ball a lot, lot faster.
On Kreuzer, great as a ruck rover undoubtedly, so so as a game changing ruckman who feeds the mids...and gets the ball to their advantage in a blink...
Fast, effective ball movement into F50 is the only way we will ever win a game, likewise most all other teams.
IF BB is telling the troops to play in that (slow, lateral, keeping off) style he's no better than many other B grade coaches....and i don't know whether that is his instruction or not. But i will ask and get the answer from those who know. Not that I'd share such information with you.
If we maintain that style of play of course we'll struggle to kicking winning scores, even if da King, Dunstall, Lockett and the Krakouer brothers were standing our forward line....
And if you can't see how much we've improved when we play the right style of footy, well again, not my place...
You're clearly no analyst. With risk, comes reward....a clear, direct and strongly positive correlation. It's a simple proposition. Really.
Don't be a B grader Kruddler...
Re: Goaltracker - kruddler - 05-26-2017
(05-25-2017, 01:09 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:feel free to dig out my quotes re making the 8.
That one good enough for you?
(11-30-2016, 11:40 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:If the Doggies can win a flag with their list we can make the 8 with our list. Why?
Defence - will be better again than 2016, considerably with our midfield able to contribute more defensively.
Will we miss Tuohy? Not for a second. Hopefully Macreadie gets a crack in the seniors if form warrants.
Midfield. Better? Yes.
Murphy in and fit. He must be champing!
SPS to play Rd 1 and add some real zing. Crippa will appreciate the break....
The mids need to ramp up the intensity on a consistent basis - easy really....
A forward line with C. Curnow, McKay, SOS, Palmer (+ Wright and another small forward) and Levi can be very competitive and offer up some intriguing problems for opposition defences.....
Sure, we'll need a dose of luck and for some of the junior players to really step up but the Doggies did it with a largely bunch of no names....with a few notable exceptions granted.
Stringer 42 goals, Dickson 40, then Bont with 26 - hardly earth shattering goal kicking efforts!
Plenty of our blokes are playing for their AFL careers - a pretty decent motivator!
10 - 13 wins.
Not my fault you can't remember what you said.
If you are going to continually attack me with personal insults, at least get your own house in order first.
Re: Goaltracker - maxm68 - 05-27-2017
(05-25-2017, 01:09 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:IF BB is telling the troops to play in that (slow, lateral, keeping off) style he's no better than many other B grade coaches....and i don't know whether that is his instruction or not. But i will ask and get the answer from those who know. Not that I'd share such information with you.
Can you share it with the rest of us ? I'd like to know
Re: Goaltracker - Lods - 05-29-2017
After round 10
2016
Goals 105 Behinds 100-730 (points against 901)
Percentage 81 %
2017(Target 224-224-1568)
Goals 107 Behinds 86-728 (points against 923)
Percentage 78.9 %
Goalkickers (Target 2016- Wright 22)
Casboult 17
Wright 13
Silvagni 8
Gibbs 8
On a positive note…we are more accurate this year.
I was pretty sure we were going to slip behind our 2016 goal total after Round 10.
In 2016 we scored 16 goals in Round 10 and I thought that might be hard to match but a reasonable effort saw us with 15 on the weekend to just keep our noses in front of last year’s total…but not by much.
On the individual front Casboult is closing in on Wright’s 2016 total. ;D
Re: Goaltracker - Baggers - 05-29-2017
Speaking of goals... I was astonished that the club didn't give our goal of the day to Crippa or Gibbs. Yes, Cuningham's was a ripper but Crippa had to fend off Zeibell and kick from further out... and Gibbs' kick around his body to kick a goal was phenomenal. I though Crippa's goal should have got the nod... bought the house down when it sailed through.
Re: Goaltracker - Thryleon - 05-29-2017
Docherty's was the one for me. The overlap run and drilled it from outside fifty to either put us in front, or bring us within a kick.
Re: Goaltracker - Baggers - 05-29-2017
(05-29-2017, 10:29 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Docherty's was the one for me. The overlap run and drilled it from outside fifty to either put us in front, or bring us within a kick.
Absolutely could have been our goal of the day... maybe the club gave it to Cuningham to pump up his tyres; give him confidence, good goal but no pressure and only 35 metres out? Crippa's, Gibbsey's and Doc's were all under pressure.
Re: Goaltracker - Thryleon - 05-30-2017
(05-29-2017, 11:33 PM)Baggers link Wrote:Absolutely could have been our goal of the day... maybe the club gave it to Cuningham to pump up his tyres; give him confidence, good goal but no pressure and only 35 metres out? Crippa's, Gibbsey's and Doc's were all under pressure.
The one thing that I would say about Cunninghams goal.
He took posession in the centre square, and handballed forward to either of Cripps or Gibbs, and then followed up by running hard into forward fifty to then finish from 35.
That might have got him over the line. If you watch the footage, and keep your eyes peeled you will see him start and finish that forward thrust.
I still liked Docherty's better, but maybe its reward for effort... No harm in that at all!