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Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - PaulP - 01-25-2017
(01-25-2017, 12:53 AM)tonyo link Wrote:The death penalty does nothing to deter people who commit these sorts of crimes - all it does it let them go out in a blaze of "in-glory" and then some other whacko reads about it and says "hey that was cool - I'd like to try that!".
If the death penalty worked so well, the places in the world that still allow it shouldn't have any murders?
Perhaps we should be tackling the crap that makes them murderers in the first place......
Whilst I agree that the death penalty is not the answer (or even an answer) i think it's hard to draw out one single facet of a complex society. Apart from the U.S., many of the countries with the death penalty are beset with a variety of issues that muddy the waters when trying to analyse the effective of that strategy.
I like with your last sentence. Many of these offenders are devoid of hope and meaning long before these atrocities are committed. The death penalty would not register on their radar at all.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - PaulP - 01-25-2017
(01-24-2017, 08:04 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Pauly could you please elaborate, Im not sure I follow. Education, proper values and support for who?
Support for those who simply can't do the right thing on their own.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - Professer E - 01-25-2017
The education system isn't designed to raise children, parents still have some responsibilities.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - PaulP - 01-25-2017
(01-25-2017, 03:46 AM)Professer E link Wrote:The education system isn't designed to raise children, parents still have some responsibilities.
Most education comes from the parents. Their role is more important than any education system.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - LP - 01-25-2017
(01-25-2017, 03:52 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Most education comes from the parents. Their role is more important than any education system.
Yet I'm sure that good parenting would not help many ICE Addicts.
The best parents in the world are powerless against the effects of powerful psychotic substances, for many one small "try" is all it takes, loving families are being destroyed on a daily basis.
A much, much greater effort from government is required. Bring back the asylums, kit out the forces, get serious about getting control. It's mostly the criminals demanding their freedom!
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - ElwoodBlues1 - 01-25-2017
(01-25-2017, 12:53 AM)tonyo link Wrote:The death penalty does nothing to deter people who commit these sorts of crimes - all it does it let them go out in a blaze of "in-glory" and then some other whacko reads about it and says "hey that was cool - I'd like to try that!".It may deter some but not all ... but it sure gets rid rid of the scum that can commit repeat murders, eg Sarah Cafferkey might still be alive today if someone had pulled the trigger or flicked the switch on that maniac Steven Hunter who was let out after murdering a 18 year girl a first time and being paroled. If that was your daughter hit with a hammer, stabbed 19 times and sliced up in a barrel you might re-think your opposition to the death penalty. As it now we have to feed and keep that maniac for the rest of his life, wasting money that could go into medicine for example to save lives...he is lucky he isnt in China now that you have mentioned other parts of the world, he would have had his useful body parts harvested before and after his execution when he murdered the first time......and a young girl would still be alive.
If the death penalty worked so well, the places in the world that still allow it shouldn't have any murders?
Perhaps we should be tackling the crap that makes them murderers in the first place......
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - malo - 01-26-2017
(01-25-2017, 03:46 AM)Professer E link Wrote:The education system isn't designed to raise children, parents still have some responsibilities.
Unfortunately the education system, particularly state departments, actually do think it's their responsibility to raise children & not the parents !
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - chalkybill - 01-26-2017
(01-26-2017, 09:09 PM)malo link Wrote:Unfortunately the education system, particularly state departments, actually do think it's their responsibility to raise children & not the parents !
It is the LACK OF PARENTING that is the problem. Schools (and Education Departments) try to make up for it but can't.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - dodge - 01-27-2017
Lack of parenting is a tough one. Times have changed a lot. It is now rare that kid get two parents at home at night, they are more regularly coming from broken families and a constantly on their screens. It is rare for both parents not to be working as housing (including rent) is so expensive. The responsibility and pressure on kids is much greater than it was only 20-30 years ago. Added to this is a rapidly changing online environment that a huge amount of parents don't understand, let alone know how to regulate with their kids.
Then we get migrants from a background that is impovished or war torn and expect them to fit into our society. It isn't that easy. I remember the non english speaking Greeks at primary school - it takes a generation or so to get into the swing of Australia.
There is no easy solution to any of this, but it requires a tougher bail, parole, post release support as well as education and support of people vulnerable to the justice system.
Re: Melbourne CBD Incident - DJC - 01-27-2017
(01-27-2017, 12:32 PM)dodge link Wrote:Lack of parenting is a tough one. Times have changed a lot. It is now rare that kid get two parents at home at night, they are more regularly coming from broken families and a constantly on their screens. It is rare for both parents not to be working as housing (including rent) is so expensive. The responsibility and pressure on kids is much greater than it was only 20-30 years ago. Added to this is a rapidly changing online environment that a huge amount of parents don't understand, let alone know how to regulate with their kids.
Then we get migrants from a background that is impovished or war torn and expect them to fit into our society. It isn't that easy. I remember the non english speaking Greeks at primary school - it takes a generation or so to get into the swing of Australia.
There is no easy solution to any of this, but it requires a tougher bail, parole, post release support as well as education and support of people vulnerable to the justice system.
Very true!
Things like divorce or family trauma can send kids off the rails regardless of how hard the parents work at being good parents.