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Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 08-14-2016
(08-13-2016, 11:56 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Funny how in in the second half SOJ, SOS jnr, BB, Cunners start getting involved and we look so much better.
This game really underlined for me that aside from massive holes in the list at either end our midfield group is in drastic need of work. We are slow, don't run both ways, lack polish, lack body size in the middle of the ground and make terrible decisions with ball in hand. The midfield group really needs refurbishment and drastic improvement could happen really rapidly IMO with effort in this area.
Side has missed Byrne, Murph and Charlie C badly as they use the ball better, and are quicker than so many others.
A player that epitomises this group is Kerridge... love his application and size but he ain't quick and he is terrible with the ball in hand. How do you teach blokes decision making under pressure?
Couldn't agree more Prof. This IMO is by far and away our greatest priority even though our forward set-up also needs significant improvement too.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-14-2016
(08-13-2016, 11:56 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Funny how in in the second half SOJ, SOS jnr, BB, Cunners start getting involved and we look so much better.
This game really underlined for me that aside from massive holes in the list at either end our midfield group is in drastic need of work. We are slow, don't run both ways, lack polish, lack body size in the middle of the ground and make terrible decisions with ball in hand. The midfield group really needs refurbishment and drastic improvement could happen really rapidly IMO with effort in this area.
Side has missed Byrne, Murph and Charlie C badly as they use the ball better, and are quicker than so many others.
A player that epitomises this group is Kerridge... love his application and size but he ain't quick and he is terrible with the ball in hand. How do you teach blokes decision making under pressure?
re: Kerridge....handy player but was surplus behind Dangerfield, Sloane, Thompson, Crouch bros....we will be a good team when players like Kerridge are playing mainly in the NB's
and are only backup for injuries just like he was at the Crows...
Agree on Byrne, Charlie C and the skipper......badly missed......Byrne and Charlie Curnow are probably our two most exciting players but like with most players who have some X factoor they seem to get injured more..
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - JonHenry - 08-14-2016
We still need more midfield depth.
C Curnow, murphy and Byrne are no where near the swans mids.
Kennedy, Parker and Hannerbery are elite.
We really need 2 AA mids for the next 8 years to play with cripps.
We also need to decide whether Casboult is worth $500k a year that he is asking for
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 12:42 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:We also need to decide whether Casboult is worth $500k a year that he is asking forSuch a conundrum when you see him kick and mark like yesterday. His best is very very good.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - cookie2 - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 12:47 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Such a conundrum when you see him kick and mark like yesterday. His best is very very good.
True but he has so far lacked consistency. Unless that can be fixed then ???? If we could find another good reliable KPF to complement Levi then the problem may be resolved. Jones yesterday, despite his best efforts, showed (to me at least) that he is not the one we need but could possibly be OK as a depth/NBs player.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Vivian - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 12:47 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Such a conundrum when you see him kick and mark like yesterday. His best is very very good.
No conundrum for me. He upped his value a little on the trade table. He is a liability most of the time as he doesn't work hard enough, failing to get seperation from his opponent. His kicking is horrific. A highlights reel of contested marks is great, but at his age, he is unlikely to improve.
Could imagine a few teams willing to look at him.
The only issue is that perhaps being on the list another year may act as a bridge season so curnow and mckay can develop. But when casboult has only managed a goal a game as it is this year, his absense may not present as much of a problem.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 08-14-2016
(08-13-2016, 11:56 PM)Professer E link Wrote:Funny how in in the second half SOJ, SOS jnr, BB, Cunners start getting involved and we look so much better.
This game really underlined for me that aside from massive holes in the list at either end our midfield group is in drastic need of work. We are slow, don't run both ways, lack polish, lack body size in the middle of the ground and make terrible decisions with ball in hand. The midfield group really needs refurbishment and drastic improvement could happen really rapidly IMO with effort in this area.
Side has missed Byrne, Murph and Charlie C badly as they use the ball better, and are quicker than so many others.
A player that epitomises this group is Kerridge... love his application and size but he ain't quick and he is terrible with the ball in hand. How do you teach blokes decision making under pressure?
It really was a game of two halves. I noted that Boekhorst (1 disposal), Plowman (2), Phillips (2), Cuningham (3), Silvagni (4) and Wright (4) had minimal impact in the first half but, with the exception of Phillips, all stepped up in the second. Having half the side not contributing puts far too much pressure on our better players.
If there's a positive from the game it is that we didn't fold when we were seven goals down but increased our effort and almost got the win. That doesn't make the loss anywhere near acceptable but, as Bolton would say, the green shoots are there.
The result should put paid to any thoughts of a priority pick for Brisbane. They have plenty of talent on their list for a competent coach to work with.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 12:42 AM)JonHenry link Wrote:We still need more midfield depth.
C Curnow, murphy and Byrne are no where near the swans mids.
Kennedy, Parker and Hannerbery are elite.
We really need 2 AA mids for the next 8 years to play with cripps.
We also need to decide whether Casboult is worth $500k a year that he is asking for
Good try by Levi. 500k, no a chance. He wouldn't get that anywhere. Give him his due, he's done well given he's come way off the rookie list and played in the right role he'll do a good but he's 300k at best, 350k if you really stretched it as a key forward. 300k for me though, certainly not 500k.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 01:25 AM)Vivian link Wrote:No conundrum for me. He upped his value a little on the trade table. He is a liability most of the time as he doesn't work hard enough, failing to get seperation from his opponent. His kicking is horrific. A highlights reel of contested marks is great, but at his age, he is unlikely to improve.
Could imagine a few teams willing to look at him.
The only issue is that perhaps being on the list another year may act as a bridge season so curnow and mckay can develop. But when casboult has only managed a goal a game as it is this year, his absense may not present as much of a problem.
He won't be getting trade unless he chooses to go. Carlton rate him and in the short term, need him. I'm not interested what they average. You can contribute without necessarily scoring. You notice we scored alot more this year when we've had two key forwards playing.
His absence, until the others develop, would be a problem. Problem is we went in alot this year with a structure of one key forward, making life tough for him, not his fault, it's the clubs. Especially after that injury. We've struggled to score. Those that don't understand that blame the player. Imagine if we trade him and have no real key forwards. Notice when he gets help he's alot better? Last year showed that, he was one of the few things to work, yesterday showed it again.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Robblues - 08-14-2016
I believe your right, Laj , the twin key forwards has been more successful. So why would Match committee /coach continue with the single key forward option? I mean, ok jones , Everitt Would be the obviously us choices, but they have gone other ways. Sure they see better than we do , so interesting to hear if any one has any inside thoughts on this?
A problem that Levi creates, is that we really labour to get goal kicking opportunities , and when he regularly fluffs them, it must deflate the team moral in general.
With the extra season Charlie & Harry will have under there belt, let's hope they can add to the attack next year to create the twin attack option.