(04-11-2022, 12:49 AM)Mav date Wrote:While causation still seems to be a mystery, viruses seem to be a suspect. In my case, I hadn't had any flu or other virus AFAIK. Is there some virus which is asymptomatic other than initiating Bell's Palsy?

(04-11-2022, 12:49 AM)Mav date Wrote:Could those who have recently contracted Bell's Palsy have suffered breakthrough Covid infections that were asymptomatic other than initiating Bell's Palsy?

(04-11-2022, 12:49 AM)Mav date Wrote:As the mRNA vaccines don't contain live virus, would they even have the ability to kill facial nerves? What are the chances that an immune response generated by this vaccine would be so specific as to kill facial nerves and nothing else? It's all very speculative but very interesting all the same.

(04-11-2022, 01:02 AM)Thryleon date Wrote:I know some here are clinging desperately to the fact that the vaccines are perfect and cause no harm, but the fact of the matter is that there is anecdotal accounts of young fit and previously healthy people suddenly suffering bouts of myocarditis, and bells palsy in many walks of life.

(04-11-2022, 01:26 AM)Mav date Wrote:Remember that "anecdotal evidence" was what led to the false claim that the MMR vaccine caused autism. No one should bother with anecdotal evidence: at best, it might identify areas in which actual research should be conducted.

(04-11-2022, 01:16 AM)LP link Wrote:Nobody has claimed the vaccines are perfect.

The numbers of people suffering Myocarditis and Bell's Palsy is normal, the rare occurrences associated with COVID and or vaccine are low compared to the normal occurrence rate. The case numbers have not statistically significantly increased, and it's normal for the age group between teenage and 60 to the be group primarily affected.

I suspect most cases of Bell's Palsy and Myocarditis are sudden, I don't know anyone who planned it ahead of time and made a reservation.

What has changed is that social media has given them something to blame.

(04-11-2022, 01:02 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:I know some here are clinging desperately to the fact that the vaccines are perfect and cause no harm, but the fact of the matter is that there is anecdotal accounts of young fit and previously healthy people suddenly suffering bouts of myocarditis, and bells palsy in many walks of life.

I know one nurse who suffered Bells on her booster and is no longer allowed to work onsite even with the ATAGI exemption, and is reverting to booking patients through outpatient clinics.  I also know of a guy in his early 30's who ended up with myocarditis who was previously fit and healthy and was in the fitness industry and has a gym in his house at home.

I don't know enough about all of it to make a judgement either way, but trying to explain these things away as correlation serves no purpose.

Thing is, there is an economic reality to all of this.  The vaccine was pushed out, because someone would have had to perform a cost benefit analysis of pros and cons of getting vaccinated in gen pop, vs gen pop getting covid and requiring treatment.

That analysis will include, greater presenations in ICU, vs greater presentations in perceived side effects, vs cost of producing and implementation of vaccines vs not doing it in terms of outcomes for all at a general level.  This would not have been done using conservative numbers, but modelled on an aggressive form of the virus causing quite a lot of angst, which may or may not have come to fruition (hard to argue how it would have been here, vs 3rd world countries).

Someone in the know made those choices, and did so having to weigh up the fact that all of this isn't free and there is a bill to foot.  At some point, the percentages will be low enough to make the vaccinations the lesser of two evils.  The other being an unknown quantity to start with built on modelling.  This isnt to state that the process was corrupted, but just a plain old risk assessment using factors that may or may not have been true for all people.