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Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 03-08-2017
(03-07-2017, 11:40 PM)laj link Wrote:Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare. 150 was a god awful chase on that pitch. No great blame on the batsmen. Where we lost it was on day 3 where we bowled badly, and that day Smith didn't have his best day as skipper. When we had then 4/120, only 33 ahead, we only needed one more wicket and we would've run though then like a dose of laxatives as India have been 5 out/all out all series. Problem was we let that 5th wicket put on 114 and it lost us the match as 188 was always likely to be out of reach.
Playing Mitch Marsh ahead of G. Maxwell also cost us dearly....
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 12:00 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Playing Mitch Marsh ahead of G. Maxwell also cost us dearly....
Yes, once we were 4 down with M.Marsh to come I knew we were in trouble. Play Maxwell or another batsman. The spinners bowls so much we don't need a 5th bowler.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - flyboy77 - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 12:02 AM)laj link Wrote:Yes, once we were 4 down with M.Marsh to come I knew we were in trouble. Play Maxwell or another batsman. The spinners bowls so much we don't need a 5th bowler.
Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 12:05 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.
I'd think so too.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - LP - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 12:05 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.
Not sure any batsmen can thrive on these wickets, the wickets are basically determining the outcome.
Maxwell plays a lot of cross bat shots from the crease, it's unlikely to lead to many significant innings on up and down turning pitches. The only things in his favor are experience in India and bowling variety.
In my opinion Marsh / Marsh / Wade are all making rookie mistakes, leading with the pads with bats besides. Sure get forward to the ball, but get forward with the bat and keep your pad back and angled down on these sort of wickets. Play well in front of your pads.
So far the best thing beside Lyon has been Wade's improved keeping, it's better than expected on a pretty crap wicket.
Finally, I had an interesting discussion at the pub last night. A fellow cricket enthusiast and long time player suggested the heavy bats Warner, Marsh, Wade, etc., use do not favor scoring in India. He thinks you need light weight bats that allow for very late and significant adjustments(Low interia, easy to move), lots of 1s and 2s with not so many boundaries.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - laj - 03-08-2017
(03-08-2017, 12:14 AM)LP link Wrote:Not sure any batsmen can thrive on these wickets, the wickets are basically determining the outcome.
Maxwell plays a lot of cross bat shots from the crease, it's unlikely to lead to many significant innings on up and down turning pitches. The only things in his favor are experience in India and bowling variety.
In my opinion Marsh / Marsh / Wade are all making rookie mistakes, leading with the pads with bats besides. Sure get forward to the ball, but get forward with the bat and keep your pad back and angled down on these sort of wickets. Play well in front of your pads.
So far the best thing beside Lyon has been Wade's improved keeping, it's better than expected on a pretty crap wicket.
Yes, you've done well if you get into the 30s on these pitches. There were some good individual innings in this Test, a couple of Indians but especially S.Marsh, Renshaw and to a lesser extent Wade's first innings, who were batting in conditions totally foreign.
Maxwell could go two ways. His cross batted shots could have the same effect as Starc, who's had a good series with the cross-bat slogging. His efforts with the bat put us in a great position in the First Test. Maxwell may similarly smash the spinners off their line or play a dumb shot and get himself out.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - malo - 03-08-2017
(03-07-2017, 11:40 PM)laj link Wrote:Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare.
So the first Test pitch was rated by the ICC as "poor"........
I agree, we need to win the next toss more than ever now.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - JonHenry - 03-08-2017
(03-07-2017, 11:47 PM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.
I think his lack of technique has been exposed, nothing more nothing less.
His stats on the sub continent and in England are poor.
Everyone said he would have issues with the moving ball when he first came on the scene, but he produced in Australia so he got a pass.
Time to look at the bigger picture and select players that have a technique and game plan for all conditions.
Renshaw is a prime example
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - DJC - 03-08-2017
Mitch Marsh has done a shoulder and has been ruled out of the remaining Tests.
While I don't like to see players injured, it may be a positive for the team.
Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ?? - IvanAwfulbigone - 03-08-2017
(03-07-2017, 11:44 PM)LP link Wrote:Kohli deliberately incites the crowd by belligerently disputing DRS when it fails to favor his team, that is every bit as much cheating as anything Smith has done!
Kohli is the Sean Denham of international cricket.