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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Baggers - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 06:38 AM)dodge link Wrote:Maybe in a macro sense, Thry.  Not so for those who are still catching it and having to isolate.  While it generally seems to knock people around for a few days,  the family isolation part is really hard for many. (Often followed by glad we've had it now).

Plenty of elderly are being cautious.

Yep. Mrs Baggers and I were isolating a coupla weeks back with Covid.

Symptoms were mild for a few days with the worst bit being the lethargy. For me there was no real sore throat or cough and usually with flu's I get a shocker of a sore throat - swallowing red hot razor blades kind of hurt, but with Covid just a very mild croakiness. Guess the triple vaxx prevented more severe symptoms. But it does linger after the worst has gone.

My GP was candid in admitting that the medical fraternity is still learning about Covid and its on-going/lingering effects. I got an outbreak of hives (Urticaria) when it seemed to have gone, but Zyrtec got rid of them after a few days. I suspect the 'Covid fat lady' hasn't tuned up her vocal cords just yet.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - dodge - 03-08-2022

We're getting it one at a time.  I have just about finished my week.  Didn't eat for three days - razor blades were too much.  The amount of phlegm I've coughed up is too much!  Other than that it has been a bad head cold experience. Coming good now.

Mrs +ve today.  Well see how she goes...

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 06:38 AM)dodge link Wrote:Maybe in a macro sense, Thry.  Not so for those who are still catching it and having to isolate.  While it generally seems to knock people around for a few days,  the family isolation part is really hard for many. (Often followed by glad we've had it now).

Plenty of elderly are being cautious.

Absolutely!

Apart from the consequences of a bout of Omicron, there’s the potential impact of the next variant.

It’s good that folk are optimistic, but optimism doesn’t count for much in the face of modelling that’s proved to be very reliable.



Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 06:57 AM)Baggers date Wrote:I got an outbreak of hives (Urticaria) when it seemed to have gone, but Zyrtec got rid of them after a few days. I suspect the 'Covid fat lady' hasn't tuned up her vocal cords just yet.
You're about the 4th person I've heard talk about hives, it must be a thing!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 03-08-2022

Sorry guys, the dissenters were right all along.  It hasn't been and isn't that big a deal.  We should be seeing a really high rate of disease and death in those communities that havent been vaccinated (the very places the variants are supposed to come from).

Thing is, even there, although they do have excess death, it isnt in any sort of volume that suggests that COVID is or ever will be that big a deal.

Obviously, I attribute our outcomes to the breaks being applied, not letting it rip, vaccinations, etc, but lets face it, its been blown way out of proportion and we can all say that fairly confidently now. 

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 11:40 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:Sorry guys, the dissenters were right all along.  It hasn't been and isn't that big a deal.  We should be seeing a really high rate of disease and death in those communities that havent been vaccinated (the very places the variants are supposed to come from).

Thing is, even there, although they do have excess death, it isnt in any sort of volume that suggests that COVID is or ever will be that big a deal.

Obviously, I attribute our outcomes to the breaks being applied, not letting it rip, vaccinations, etc, but lets face it, its been blown way out of proportion and we can all say that fairly confidently now. 

I suggest that you look at that the statistics before making such an absurd claim Thry.

Even the relatively benign Omicron variant is 40% more lethal than seasonal flu.

Folk who can’t help their kids with their homework are claiming epidemiological expertise and it just doesn’t wash.

I’m not an epidemiologist and don’t claim any expertise at all in that field.  However, I have written peer-reviewed papers and reviewed papers by others.  I know how to read and interpret scientific articles and have kept abreast with the latest COVID publications.  Anyone who thinks that COVID isn’t a big deal is a conspiracy theorist or has problems with comprehension.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - DJC - 03-08-2022

ABC Radio Melbourne is running a segment where folk who have lost a family member can put a story to the statistic.  Apart from giving families the opportunity to talk about their lost loved ones, the segment has utterly destroyed the notion that co-morbidity is an equal factor in "deaths with COVID".  It is a fact that folk with "underlying conditions" may have lived for decades with those conditions. 

It's a great opportunity for folk to celebrate and remember the lives of family members who, until now, have largely been reduced to numbers in official statistics.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 03-08-2022

I'm reluctant to dismiss well over 6 million deaths and governments that have mishandled its management, however it has exposed many flaws in the system and how many bureaucrats and politicians repetitively lied to cover their utter incompetence.

The harm it has inflicted at every possible level is incalculable.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 07:44 PM)capcom date Wrote:I'm reluctant to dismiss well over 6 million deaths and governments that have mishandled its management, however it has exposed many flaws in the system and how many bureaucrats and politicians repetitively lied to cover their utter incompetence.

The harm it has inflicted at every possible level is incalculable.
Remember, the genuine pandemic scientists report that the official figure of about 6 million could be as low as only 30% of the real world total, most think it's around only 50%.

The missing balance is all those deaths in unvaccinated and / or 3rd world populations that is sometimes described in the privileged western hemisphere social media as "deaths we are not seeing!" It's not hard to poke holes in what I think is best described as the Interweb perspective.

I heard another rather startling report yesterday, it relates to long COVID and the fact that regardless of what figure is allocated to the official death rate, the long COVID situation remains reported in tens of percent. Think about that, if COVID deaths really are 0.3%, but long COVID remains in the 10 - 15% range, for every official death there are 30 to 50 long COVID sufferers who have an uncertain future. How many million is that, 180M to 300M people if the 6 million is the real total, which they say it isn't? Nobody can advise them what happens down the track, if they get the flu or some other virus what might COVID has done to their immune system, how will it react? The experts think it is a coin toss, and we are heading into decades of related comorbidity linkable / traceable back to Sars-CoV-2, and this also applies to people who think they have escaped harm!

Sometimes getting over a viral infection makes you stronger, ............... sometimes it doesn't!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Thryleon - 03-08-2022

(03-08-2022, 12:59 PM)DJC link Wrote:I suggest that you look at that the statistics before making such an absurd claim Thry.

Even the relatively benign Omicron variant is 40% more lethal than seasonal flu.

Folk who can’t help their kids with their homework are claiming epidemiological expertise and it just doesn’t wash.

I’m not an epidemiologist and don’t claim any expertise at all in that field.  However, I have written peer-reviewed papers and reviewed papers by others.  I know how to read and interpret scientific articles and have kept abreast with the latest COVID publications.  Anyone who thinks that COVID isn’t a big deal is a conspiracy theorist or has problems with comprehension.

I am not an epidemiologist either, I'm simply looking at the state of play and calling a spade a spade.  It isn't a big deal.  It was absolutely correct to take a cautious approach, but we can see now, that if this were a truly dangerous virus, we would be in all sorts, particularly on my train this morning where I almost didn't even get a seat. 

https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/21539483/covid-19-black-death-plagues-in-history

This article is balanced.  It gives the disease the merit it deserves, yet also highlights why this opinion is fair enough.  Its also worth noting, that there is no conspiracy, it isnt a sham, I never declared it one, I just simply saw that we took appropriate precautions, and now we can largely breathe a sigh of relief that the bullet is well and truly dodged.