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Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 01-07-2022

Yep, it's hard to see how he can stay. He was either trying to circumvent the entry requirements so he could attract the best field or he was unbelievably stupid. Either way, he goes.

Does this help or hurt Djokovic? It helps Djokovic in a PR sense as it suggests he may well have been relying on TA advice rather than trying to barge his way through. TA is the bad guy rather than him. But it might be bad for Djokovic's Federal Court case. It shifts blame away from the Federal Govt to a private organisation. The Federal Govt would be able to counter Djokovic's attempt to suggest the Federal Govt had created a legitimate expectation he was entitled to enter Australia. It was TA which created that legitimate expectation. Moreover, once TA had been firmly advised that the "infected within 6 months" exception wasn't valid for entry to Australia, the Federal Govt would be able to argue it was reasonable for it to assume that TA would ensure medical exemptions would meet the Federal Govt standards.

On the other hand, the Federal Govt isn't totally off the hook. The letter shows it was well aware that there was a glaring difference between medical exemptions granted for the purposes of Victorian events and those that would be valid for entry into Australia. In other words, it was well aware that medical exemptions granted in Victoria couldn't be relied on to establish a right to enter. It should have scrutinised entry paperwork more carefully. Did Greg Hunt communicate with the Immigration Minister and the ABF to ensure that unvaccinated players didn't jump on a plane? I'd imagine Djokovic's lawyers will be homing in on this issue.

That's where the comments from Mr Rivzi come in. Visas shouldn't have been granted on the strength of TA paperwork without verifying that any exemption met Federal Govt criteria. And if there were ABF officers at Dubai Airport, they should have asked Djokovic on what grounds he had obtained a medical exemption. They should have been alerted to watch out for ATP & WTA players and verify their paperwork.   

On the other hand, would it be fair to say that TA was almost like a representative of all of the players, including Djokovic? It seems players were leaving TA to deal with the government as workers would leave a Union to deal on their behalf. The more that TA is identified with the players, the more the players are tainted by the misbehaviour of TA.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 01-08-2022

Djoker can play, all he has to do is complete the Fed's quarantine requirement, and then accept the State's exemption from vaccination to work.

I just do not get why some people always have to try and break the rules, no matter what they do they spend all their efforts looking for a short cut, advantage or cheat relative to Joe Average.

For me it displays a lack of character, a desire to set themselves above others, which is why Djoker gets the White Male Privilege tag!

I do wonder if his claims of having already had COVID are genuine, because if they are then issuing a simple medical certificate and this whole saga evaporates, because that hasn't already happened it suggests he's lied about having COVID! I suppose his association with some rather bogus miracle COVID cures and other health treatments is a big motivation to depart from the truth, there is no better miracle cure than never having it to start off!

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 01-08-2022

I'm thinking Tiley seems to do what the Concierge does in a hotel: anything that'll keep the guests happy.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 01-08-2022

France's sports minister said the unvaxxed are free to play in the French Open.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 01-08-2022

Australia stationing Border force personnel at any intnl airport to intercept any passenger from flying is simply preposterous.  How do you position those staff ahead of the flight.  How about an unforseen schedule change to the flight.  How would they know if that passenger would be a "no show".  Who would wear those ridiculous economic costs.

Exactly why it is the carrier's responsibility to check the credentials to the degree they can and then the onus falls on the passenger to have the paperwork is all in order when they land here.

I know of no country that doesn't do exactly the same thing and the destination port then approves passage or sends them home.  A casual look at "Border Security" would tell you that.  This is ALL on Djokovic and TA. 





Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - LP - 01-08-2022

(01-08-2022, 01:50 AM)capcom date Wrote:Exactly why it is the carrier's responsibility to check the credentials to the degree they can and then the onus falls on the passenger to have the paperwork is all in order when they land here.

I know of no country that doesn't do exactly the same thing and the destination port then approves passage or sends them home.  A casual look at "Border Security" would tell you that.  This is ALL on Djokovic and TA.
Yes, I agree.

I've travelled a lot, on one flight there was a problem sending the passenger manifest, the flight officer talked the passengers through the full procedure and why there would be a delay landing, because they hadn't been able to transmit the document early enough to get the tick of approval on time to disembark. Air Traffic Control would put the plane in a holding pattern pending a gate being allocated. [member=827]capcom[/member] will know this better than me but as far as I know it is always the flight officers who send the passenger manifest to the destination sometime after departure and get cleared for landing while in transit. I suppose once the planes left the ground the passenger list isn't going to change! ;D

Sometimes very very rarely, I've had this happen twice in 40 years and hundreds of flights, your plane gets meet with a border control team to collect an individual before the rest of the passengers can disembark/deplane, I gather this was the Djoker scenario.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 01-08-2022

4 people at my work positive. I'm stuffed.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - capcom - 01-08-2022

(01-08-2022, 02:32 AM)LP link Wrote:Yes, I agree.

I've travelled a lot, on one flight there was a problem sending the passenger manifest, the flight officer talked the passengers through the full procedure and why there would be a delay landing, because they hadn't been able to transmit the document early enough to get the tick of approval on time to disembark. Air Traffic Control would put the plane in a holding pattern pending a gate being allocated. [member=827]capcom[/member] will know this better than me but as far as I know it is always the flight officers who send the passenger manifest to the destination sometime after departure and get cleared for landing while in transit. I suppose once the planes left the ground the passenger list isn't going to change! ;D

Sometimes very very rarely, I've had this happen twice in 40 years and hundreds of flights, your plane gets meet with a border control team to collect an individual before the rest of the passengers can disembark/deplane, I gather this was the Djoker scenario.

OK.

1.  The crew do NOT send a manifest to anyone.  They (the flight attendants) have a copy of it so they know who is sitting where assuming they each have their boarding passes on their person in the event they must return to their original seats in prep for landing.  That is a DCS weight and balance matter and way beyond the scope of this response.

The manifest goes to the arrival port via head office ops control and originally sourced from the departure port DCS manager in charge.  He's the guy responsible for having it signed off by the captain ... and it bears huge personal responsibility.

2.  Border control (using that term VERY loosely for the moment as it's almost always the State Feds) will be used for a PIC (passenger in custody) escort, unruly idiots under arrest for actions during flight, disabled passengers, spraying the cabin prior to disembarkation,  NEVER border control.

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - madbluboy - 01-08-2022

Who gave Novak a visa?

Re: CV and mad panic behaviour - Mav - 01-08-2022

Anybody want a bit of light reading?
https://www.fcfcoa.gov.au/sites/default/files/2022-01/MLG%2035%20of%202022%20-%20Applicant%27s%20submissions.pdf